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Pillar of the Community
Austria
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What I have here is a very unusual mis-spelled 16 maravedis like coin:  
Obverse: Bust of Philip IV right. Legend. + PHILLPVS * IIII D * G
Reverse: Crowned coat-of-arms, flanked by value (6? instead of 16 or 8 or 4) and assayer letter (upside-down M) Legend: HISPANIVRV M (instead of HISPANIARVM and the M is upside down!) REX I669? Diameter: 23mm Weight: 2.44g  This must be some sort of contemporary counterfeit as the value is shown as 6 (instead of 16) and the mint initial is upside down as alos the crown design seems unusual. The busts seems to be what the coutnerfeiter has been good at, anything else seems to have been done by somebody, who could not read or spell the lattin lettering of the originals. Any suggestions? Edited by coinworldtv
03/31/2015 5:59 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Send the images to Aureo & Calico maybe in the archives they have sold a similar specimen.
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Valued Member
Norway
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Misspellings in 16th and 17th century hispanic coins are actually quite frequent and do therefore not necessarily mean that the coin in question is a forgery. It has even been suggested that quite a few mint-workers were dyslectic or illiterate. An example from my collection: 4 reales 1589, Segovia ("HISPANIRV")  Edited by diatonix
03/31/2015 7:20 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 Austria
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Ok, a single mint or engeraver`s error is quite possible,
but what about the value 6? it is either 16, 8, 4, 2 or 1
maravedi.
I have never heard of a 6 or a 3 maravedis.
Also the M´s in the mint mark and legend are upside-down.
I think, that this must be a CC.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sure these are all tell-tale signs of a contemporary circulating counterfeit - a GNL Type 1 if you will for clarity.
As I said Aureo & Calico usually sells these types as FALSAS. For me Maraavedis CCs are too common so I don't research or collect these types.
JPL
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Pillar of the Community
Austria
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Thank you colonialjohn,
indeed similar coins are already documented, there is a nice catalogue about them, which I have bought a while a go:
Catálogo de General de la Moneda Falsa Espanola by Louis Barrrera Coronado
The coin seems similar to the specimens on page 46-47, but not exactly the same (as there are many varieties).
It seems to be a great book, despite of the bad photographs, it has many colonial 8 reales, 8 escudos,
and covers a period from 1506-1995. It seems to bethe best reference issued on contemporary forgeries
until now.
Here is the ISBN: 84-86659-02-7
You might need it as a reference for your book and as additional source for your and bob´s reasearch (it has 227 pages with photographs of 1448 contemporarly forged coins).
The only bad thing, it is completely in spanish. I would love to have a translation of it.
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04/01/2015 3:29 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Austria
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Interestignly I could not find the 4 reales coin of diatonix, therefore it might be an authentic mis-spelled legit coin.
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04/02/2015 1:52 pm
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Pillar of the Community
France
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There are authentic miss-spelled coins, indeed :) Yours look like a contemporary counterfeit, it's supposed to be a 16 I suppose. 3 and 6 maravedies do exist, in Pampelona under Ferdinand VII, and before under Felipe V in Valencia (treseta / seisenio) But not of that type (I know you are aware of all this - this info is for others which may not know well those coins) Here is the latest one I acquired (GRATA vs GRATIA) :  Edited by MathieuMa
04/03/2015 10:07 am
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Valued Member
Norway
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I wonder whether some of the mis-spellings may be just a result of sloppy planning when designing/making the dies. It's often towards the end of the legend where certain letters go missing, probably due to lack of sufficient space. I've also noticed this on some Swiss coins, f. ex. on my 1550 Schaffhausen thaler: MONETA NOVA SCAFVSENSI(S).
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04/03/2015 1:00 pm
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