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Are These Coins Both Byzantine ?

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A couple of coins that I am struggling with again.
The 1st I don't have a clue , the 2nd I am sure is Byzantine but the obverse is giving me trouble as I cant make out what it is depicting.
Coin 1 - Weight - 5.27g size - 25mm


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Coin 2 - Weight - 1.66g size - 10mm


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The 2nd coin I think belongs to Justinianus I due to the regnal year of XXXCII on it, its the obverse I cant make sense of though
Any help is much appreciated
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Top one looks Kushan
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Any ideas whether its early or late period BEN ?
I just did a quick search but couldn't find anything close unfortunately.
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The second coins has "30" written on it, I suspect its a Seated Tyche reverse. I m unsure of the ruler off the top of my head.
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Ben is correct about the top one being Kushan. Definitely a seated Ardoksho reverse type, maybe Vasu Deva I and Vashishka, c. 250 - 260 AD, like this:

http://www.anythinganywhere.com/com...3523v1-1.jpg
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I agree with the others that the first one is Kushan. As to the second one the only details that I can make out are on the reverse which are a match to AE decamummium of Justinian I possibly SB-167.
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I believe the first one is a Kushan imitative coin. I'll see if I can find it in my Ancient Coins of Indian Revisited book tonight.
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Many thx everyone for all the help
I think the Byzantine is a variety of SB 167 Echizento, I just cant find it with the extra letters under XXX.
Interesting suggestion Ranger regarding the Kushan coin, would it be contemporary or other ?
I look forward to your findings.
Thx again
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For comparison, here are two Kanishka II AE's from Tom Mallon's old site.


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Kanishka II (circa 225 - 240 AD)
AE Unit
Göbl Kushan 1017 type
19 mm.
5.72 gm.
Die position=1h


Kanishka II (circa 225 - 240 AD)
AE Unit
Göbl Kushan 1017 type
20 x 22 mm.
7.16 gm.
Die position=12h
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Thx BOB
I have been wondering what is depicted at 12 o'clock on the 2nd picture, is it a flower or sun-rays ?
Wondering if that is significant in any way ?
Still clueless as you can probably tell from my questions.
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The extra letters that look like a CI are part of the date. The letter that looks like a C is the #5 +1 so the date on your coin is year 36 or 562/3 AD.
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Thx Echizento, I thought the extra letters were part of the date
There are 2 I's which would make it regnal year 37, is that correct ?
I could only find 1 example with this date on it, only the 38 left if his coins were struck in his last year and I couldn't find any of those.
Thx again.
P.S I have been checking the exergue with a stronger loupe and I'm pretty sure its NIK.
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Yes that would make it year 37 (563/64 AD)
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interesting to see a year that high on a byzantine coin!
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