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Just Found-Close Centered Double Strike

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 Posted 11/21/2007  10:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add DoubleDie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I found this CCDS in a 1984 original bank roll. This coin could grade MS66 or higher. My opinion is it will grade higher. The doubling appears 2x or 3x doubled, so the coin must have been double struck more than once. I will be honest, I don't know much about this error so I could be seeing a normal double strike.

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 Posted 11/21/2007  11:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lincolns head strike on the reverse seems to be incised which means it was struck against a positive, not a neg. Does not that mean either a die clash of worst case a garage job.
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 Posted 11/21/2007  11:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree this is definately not a double struck coin all one can hope for is thats its a clashed die that may have clashed a couple times without a planchet in between the dies. The reason I say all you can hope for is because the same looking effect will come from a vice or a hammer hitting two coins together, but the design will be incuse on the coin and not raised if this happened and since I am no lincoln expert I will leave that part to the ones that do specialize in these things
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 Posted 11/21/2007  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleDie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know that it's authentic because my dad purchased this roll from the bank in 1984. The roll was shotgun, and took some time to unravel. I know it may look incised in the picture, but it is not.

Can someone post a pic of a double strike? Because this looks exactly like the double strike in my book.
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 Posted 11/21/2007  1:24 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Banks aren't the only ones that can make a shotgun roll. And even though you got it from a bank the coin could have been damaged and then reentered circulation.
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 Posted 11/21/2007  1:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleDie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But such is not the case. I'm not certain why you continue rebutting what I know as true. The coin is an authentic mint error, and it can easily be determined that the coin has never been mishandled.

I examined it under a microscope and took two of the pictures under this magnification. I may be wrong about it being a CENTERED Double Strike, but the coin isn't damaged in the least nor ever circulated.
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I'm not saying the doubting Thomases are wrong, but I'd sure like to see someone replicate this specific "look" with a vice, hammer or whatever. I don't see the Lincoln Memorial on the obverse as incused at all. I am, however, no expert on these sorts of things, so will wait until Coppercoins or another comes along.
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 Posted 11/21/2007  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DoubleDie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, one other thing, on the obverse you can tell the memorial design appears to run behind Lincoln's bust, and this proves it was not faked. A hammer or vice would not create this affect.
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I still think this is a clash but like I said I am definately no expert on Lincoln cents and thats why I hesitate to say for a fact, but I will say by looking at the pictures the reverse image behind Lincolns head looks raised and not incuse like you would expect from a squeeze job
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I can't imagine that this coin is faked. The column under Lincoln's beard would be impossible any other way.
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It is genuine error from the mint. It is a die clash, the raised sections you are seeing are actually the spaces BETWEEN the columns. This is one of the nicest die clashes I have seen on the lincoln but a die clash none the less.

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 Posted 11/21/2007  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Ziggy. If the coin was made from a pressing from another coin, the letters/head would be facing the opposite direction. A mirror image. But this coin is real and a very nice coin. Clashes happen a lot and are removed, but some coins after a clash happens get undetected. This is one of the strongest "Jail house Cents" I've seen. So very nice find. In fact re looking at your images, there was a doubled clash that happened or the first one wasn't totally removed.

Here is what a vise squeezed Cent with another Cent will look like.
https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...zed_Cent.jpg

This one sold on ebay and I asked if I could use his image of a faked double struck Cent and it was disfigured with another coin. He didn't respond. I guess he knew he had been caught. The buyer got a dud.


On the squeezed Cent notice how the details come through the bust. On a die clash this doesn't happen. Why? During a die clash only the fields touch with the mark of the edges of the bust/memorial and sometimes letters show. The deeper details are lower into the die and wouldn't be affected. Just the fields. The devices do suffer from the cleaning. In later die states the edges of the devices loose sharpness. Making the strike not quite as clean when the die was new.
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 Posted 11/21/2007  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is indeed a die clash error.
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