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Maria Theresa Thaler 1780 - Genuine Or Fake?

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 Posted 04/06/2015  08:17 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add filip to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I know that is very hard to determinate genuinity only with the scans, especially where the fakes are better made, but, I also know that some fakes are easy to be identified (shapes of some letters etc.)... so, if someone is familiar, I will be glad to hear opinion about this one. Thank you very much in advance!

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 Posted 04/06/2015  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuckeyeCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am not with my coins at the moment so I can't check, but I see nothing that screams fake to me.

That being said, most of those Maria Theresa Thalers from 1780 are restrikes, they just use the same year 1780. Odds are it is a restrike, but I am no expert on these. Just quick with a keyboard.
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 Posted 04/06/2015  08:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuckeyeCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a link with pictures describing which ones are real 1780 dates and which ones are 1780 restrikes.

http://www.theresia.name/en/svergleich.html

Note, the restrikes are still officially / authorized government minting and are still made out of silver (90% coin silver I believe, but not 100% positive honestly)
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 Posted 04/06/2015  08:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The fineness of a Maria Theresa thaler is .833 fine.

We should perhaps clarify what you mean by "genuine". If you mean "a coin that was actually struck in 1780", then no, it is not.

If you are concerned about it being a base-metal counterfeit rather than a full-silver government-authorized restrike, then I think you do have something to be concerned about. The details look weak - particularly look at the large crown on the obverse. If that's just an artefact of the scanner, well and good, but if the coin is actually like that, then you do have cause for concern.
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 Posted 04/06/2015  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add filip to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a lot, BuckeyeCoinGuy and Sap. I will need to spend some more time to observe it.

Have a nice weekend!
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 Posted 04/06/2015  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuckeyeCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I thought reverse looked washed out to me and there is too much wear for what is statistically most likely a modern restrike. I think I only own two Maria Theresa's though so I wouldn't listen to me.


Here are a few links on fake Maria Theresa Thalers if it helps anyone.

http://www.theresia.name/cgi-bin/To...&Language=en

http://www.theresia.name/cgi-bin/To...eries&Page=2

http://www.theresia.name/en/sforgeries.html
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04/06/2015 09:35 am
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 Posted 04/06/2015  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
High points are very weak, the rest of the design seems to be OK. There is a (?) in my mind.

Needs to be weighed.
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 Posted 04/06/2015  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I concur with Sap although these aren't commonly faked. More data is needed - accurate measurements of its diameter and weight. Also pictures of the edge in several spots would be helpful.

Edit: No sooner had I made my comment above than I stumbled across the following on ebay which I'm 99.9% sure is a counterfeit. So they do exist.

See: http://www.ebay.com/itm/M-THERESIA-...em19fdfed703
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 Posted 04/17/2015  09:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zookeeperz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had a few of these. I think your ok. Normally the fakes have edge inscription that is totally unreadable and the profile is is more crude in appearance.
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 Posted 04/17/2015  10:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wolfgang-s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you look at the Revers side of the coin you see written AUST. ,this coin is a older one ; and if you see written AVST. , this coins are Restrike ones.
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