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Coming raw out of China. These are the kind of items that to the nonspecialist in the type (and that's the vast majority of us) don't blatantly appear on an individual basis to be bogus, and therefore they're all the more dangerous for the casual or credulous buyer. Without even being able to identify any telling detail, and despite their stated weight being about right, I'd judge the probability is very strong these are modern forgeries.

See: http://www.ebay.com/sch/1hk4259/m.h...047675.l2562
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Although we now know of the dangerous zipcode to AVOID - so look at the 1745 issue in ZOOM to the left of the globe those raised die casting bubbles. But like you said - I will admit - the toning is marvelous. Normally Fe/Ni, German silver (Cu/Zn/Ni) and Brass (Cu/Zn) with silver (added for weight and proper toning). These may be debased silver with copper with lead. Oddly - I do in some strange way consider these works of art ... I did use the word strange ... <LOL>.

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...the toning is marvelous.


I recall reading in an expose' of the Chinese counterfeit coin industry that one of the aspects at which they're in general quite expert (from long experience) is "aging" their wares so that they appear to be artifacts and not newly manufactured. As in any field, there are top notch practitioners, artists of a sort as you say, and quick buck pretenders - the examples I've linked to in this case appear to be products of the former sort of operator, and again as I've already said, thus particularly insidious.
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The listings of the seller I identified to start this thread off have not yet been removed, plus there's now another ebay account selling the same sort of coins, and in since the photography looks to be precisely the same, I'd judge if it's not in fact the same person, there's regardless some kind of connection between the two.

See: http://www.ebay.com/sch/6_98979/m.h...047675.l2562
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When I was still with ebay we used to compare pictures to link names of sellers that we suspected of being part of the same group for other reasons. I once had a group of 12 sellers all posting the identical pictures at the same time. Since the rules used to require an actual picture of the item being sold we could suspend and then terminate all the IDs for breach of the rules. This is typical of the Chinese ring that operates out of Peking associated with AliBaba.
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