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 Posted 12/10/2007  4:14 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add fauxtog to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
first of all after watching this forum for a while I am soooo happy not to have any of my listings pointed out, for bad reasons.
that said how does this ebay thing work? I see the coins I'm not an expert grader but my father (who may be optimistic in his grading) and dealers I have talked with pretty much are good at grading. My problem is I research a coin PCGS, NGC, whitman red and blue books find the market value at the moment and list the coin with a reserve that I think is about fair market value. and starting at $9.99 these are not bad coins recently a VF 1914 D penny a 1921 D Dime Fine to VF a 1993 Morgan probably a 63 and last but not least an 1885 S morgan also about a 63. well none of these except one even reached the whitman dealer book price.
I understand things like market interest, some coins are hot. and also buyer reputation I only have 35 100% positive feedbacks.
What I am guessing is that people are looking on ebay for a great deal.
My question -- what gives? is it the season? is it my lack of triple digit feedbacks or is it just the ebay mentality? Am I trying to sell coins that simply cost to much for ebay? and if not ebay where does one get a fair price
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 Posted 12/10/2007  4:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Many people won't go near a seller with less than 100 feedback. In their eyes you could be some clown that just started a new account because your feedback was poor. The guys in China that sell counterfeits do this a lot.
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 Posted 12/10/2007  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
My question -- what gives? is it the season?


As I've been quite busy on ebay (buying), I've seen several distinct situations:
1. The coins nobody wants, and won't sell even with a huge discount
2. Coins that are moderately popular, but people will only bite at discount.
3. A few coins that people seem willing to spend way more than retail.

However, the 14-D should be popular...and I'm interested. If you provide a link, I'll take a look.

--just my .02..in Lincolns
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 Posted 12/10/2007  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Putting reserves on ebay auctions is very costly; if item doesn't sell you lose the pricy reserve fee. You do get one shot at re-listing and if it sells the 2nd time, you get your reserve fee back. No sale the 2nd time means you lose the reserve fee plus have wasted money on listing fees twice. The cheaper alternative is to list it at the minimum price you can live with and start the bidding there.

Overall, I think ebay is a great place to buy coins for bargain prices for the average collector. I am not convinced that private collectors can make much profit on the sell side unless you can buy large lots in bulk and break them down into small lots or coin by coin listings. Or you'd have to spend a lot of time hunting for bargains then sell for profit at fixed prices. Typically, I lose between 10-20% of each transaction to ebay and Paypal- you have to factor that into your pricing.

I do think coin dealers do ok selling on ebay because they have the ability to buy the coins from the public for prices way below the market (like buying silver at 5x face value when silver is currently 10-11x face value). I witnessed a dealer recently offering 2 bucks a piece for Walking Liberty halves, so they can do just fine selling it at or slightly above buillion. You or I selling at buillion would be at a loss if we bought it near buillion, because the fees swallow it up- you have to wait for silver to go up 25% to make even a small profit as a private collector. Maybe some dealers can chime in. I do get the sense that buyers want bargains and will not pay even close to book value unless the coin is very hot or it is a key date. I don't know what price guide buyers use, but several are out there: RedBook, Bluebook, Grey sheet, pcgs web site to name a few.

I do not believe at all the triple digit feedback rating is necessary. I often see auctions on EBAyers with less than 50 transactions go nuts with the bidding, because the bidders sense that the newbie doesn't know much about their coins or some other unforseen reason. I just saw 10 rolls of wrapped Buffalo nickels go for above market price on a person with 2 transactions. So, no, triple digit feedback does not play, in my opinion, a significant role.

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 Posted 12/10/2007  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SeatedNut to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fauxtog,

Without seeing your listings I can't tell you what the problem might be. All of those dates usually create a frenzy if the pictures are decent. I also don't eliminate a seller due to less than 100 feedbacks, but I scutinize the listing and the feedback carefully. Here are some of the things that will cause me to pass on an auction:
- Seller retaliatory feedback comments
- Pictures that don't allow me to assess the grade myself
- Picture of only the obverse of the coin (there are so many sellers out there with coins in a PCGS/NGC holder that assume I will take the TPG's word on the grade ... I buy the coin, not the holder
- No Pictures
- Obvious over the top comments on the coin, i.e. "Rare" or "Key Date" on a common issue.

I hope to see some of your auctions when you hit fifty posts.
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 Posted 12/10/2007  7:44 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In addition to SeatedNut auctions that turn me off are...

-Reserves - most (not all) of the time the reserve is set to a ridiculous amount and it's not worth my time checking into it.

-New member - sure we all have to start out somewhere and sometimes I give a go at helping someone out. But when someone is brand new and had a $100+ item for sale...it's not worth the headache if this person doesn't know the ropes.

-Neutral feedbacks - if people aren't 100% satisfied I'll dig into the persons feedback and check for ratings like "good" "alright coin" "thanks for nothing" People leave these for fear of retalitory negs when they truly didn't like the transaction and don't want the hassle of the return

-No Return Policy - I doubt I'll ever return something to a seller....but it's a security blanket and makes me feel safe about my purchase.

-Shipping - it is not meant for profit. I normally make about $1.00 sometimes when I sell but that's about it. Give the customer a good deal on shipping and they will Always come back

-Ramblings - nothing turns me off in an auction more then endless pages of meaningless dribble about their auction that is not pertinent to the item in question. I can't believe that someone would take the time to just talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and
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 Posted 12/10/2007  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chevrolet454ss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I may have same problem trying selling my all my extra coins I dont need.
Trouble I see after looking at them.
1. bu box 2007 d cents , Flooded already with them.
2. 38 thru 75 something nickels. So common all over ebay.
3. Cheap sets that not complete such as pennys, nickels I have.

One thing your correct the ebay is flooded with tons common stuff and your completing with all dealers and other peaple puting stuff cheaper and cheaper. I am afraid ebay fees would eat up everything if you need to relist stuff . It may cheaper and less work just cash them into bank becides trying to sell on ebay and compete with all the dealers. How much are paypal fees, list fees all that cost.

I sell auto parts on ebay and been there and done that. My last round of auctions I sold 360 worth parts and paid out 50 bucks to paypal, ebay fees etc.

Example if sold an 25 dollar box of pennys. Say it sold 39 bucks. I would pay ebay and paypal maybe 9 bucks out the 39 bucks. All I get is 5 bucks per box. I would spend that driving to post office to mail it.

I dont see how anybody can sell any coins on ebay still get an decent profit on any common coins or cheap stuff. Any ideas on selling coins on ebay ? I dont know anymore. In march I tryed to sell bu rolls of washington dollars for 35 each when other dealers were selling them at that price. My were all unsold and waste of time and money. I wish I knew on how get rid all my extra coins or sets I dont need anymore.

I been selling on ebay for years on auto parts and my feedback is over 300 but coins I dont know.

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 Posted 12/10/2007  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
People want silver...and for some reason they pay ridiculous prices for it sometimes. I won't say what I search for but there are a LOT of misplaced auctions out there waiting to be had for way low prices to resell.
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 Posted 12/11/2007  5:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fauxtog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Kurt

the 14 D was the one that sold but basiclly at a discount we've had it for a long time so money was made but alas.. either way here's the link to what was
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...250196137639

don't know if the link will post

My crob well maybe I should feel ok I am running in the black after a year at ebay with coins. and

Snowman I just noticed. ebay say's I'v been a member only for 3 years. hmmm I know I've had an account with them longer than that oh well no biggie perhaps that coincides with the first sale.
So what about the jerks that just don't leave feedback. How do you entice them to I can only think of two at the moment and only one with coins (I'm also selling a fishing dohicky for a manufacuter friend of mine I think he had a low feedback. maybe he's never logged back in to ebay.

graceoutcast - well people ain't biting my silver perhaps because they are morgans.
Also am I missing out on something with the shipping?
an envelope
postage
insurance
time
gas

I see people shipping for less than my postage cost. where and how are they doing that?

As for the photos I'm still figuring out what works best and isn't long on time I was using a beam splitter but I found that I just needed a huge piece of glass and a huge lens to get even coverage across a proof set so I went to a 4' x 8' reflector which is just to soft for a single coin (probably better left to the photo category)

thanks for the input.
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 Posted 12/11/2007  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snowman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
So what about the jerks that just don't leave feedback.


You may want to leave feedback only after the buyer gives you feedback. It may give them incentive to do so and is not unusual on ebay.

As far as shipping goes, you should be able to buy a bubble lined envelope for less than 50 cents (as low as a dime a piece if you buy bulk). Shipping with delivery confirmation from the USPS is about another $4.50. That's about 5 bucks. Sure you could charge for gas and personal time, but I think that may be a stretch.

As far as your pics go, I think they are fine.
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 Posted 12/11/2007  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fauxtog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Darn my cheapest postage so far (not including the bag gas time tape ink saliva to seal the envelope and um hmm what else could be charged for oh yes the water to make the saliva)
is $9.30 what am I doing wrong?
signature a neccesity?
insurance yes


thanks for the tip on feedback makes sense
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 Posted 12/11/2007  11:46 pm  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
for 1 Morgan?

simple easy way to ship an inexpensive coin. at the post office grap some of those priority envelopes and cut them down to the size that will fit inside a padded envelope. a #000 should be fine. with the morgan or other coin in a 2x2 I staple it gently inside of the cardboard piece and slide it into the envelope.

Buy In Bulk!

don't buy tape or envelopes at wal*mart. get them by the hundreds online and save a bundle...as well as tape.
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 Posted 12/12/2007  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add amac44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Its fees what weeds out most seller hang in there it . I been selling 3yr now and it has its ups & downs!
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 Posted 12/12/2007  11:46 am  Show Profile   Check GO's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GO to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To add a few more things to the pot

besides the final price few a basic simple auction should not cost you more then $1.00 You don't need the highlight, zoomed pic, bold, and other add ons that really don't bring That many more people to your auction. If you have silver, morgans, peace, or anything else that Will sell no matter what...starting the bid at .99 cents with no reserve and no BIN is the cheapest way to start an auction
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 Posted 12/12/2007  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You seem genuinely interested and caring about doing it right, fauxtog, so I hope you don't take offense when I say that I simply will not do business with someone who charges over $9 shipping. I don't care how nice the coin is, I just won't bid. None of my sales (and I sell a few on ebay) reach $5 to ship, insured, unless the ending value is north of $500. Indeed, $15 to ship one Lincoln probably qualifies for "Excessive Shipping" under ebay's rules, and might end up getting complaints filed against you.

I consider the cost of envelopes and tape as a cost of business, and I'm going to be at the Post Office anyways so I believe I don't have the right to consider compensation for my time that way. Unless specified by the seller, I ship USPS First Class Mail, and I require insurance on every sale, be it $10 or what.

Your listings are fine. The copy is informative, your terms are clear, and you're the first person I've ever seen go into that much detail regarding your exact photographic methods. So, to my mind, two things have conspired against you with this round of auctions:

First, the shipping charge. I know many people who will not bid at all if they feel the shipping is unreasonable. Second, the timing. This is a very poor time of year to be selling. I do not intend to list anything again until late January.

As an aside, I would dearly love to see some of what your camera is capable of in the Photography forum.

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 Posted 12/12/2007  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fauxtog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks SuperDave

I still feel I must be missing something the postage cost; for the penny was $9.30 I tried ups fed-x and USPS the USPS first class was cheapest. I have shipped proof sets at the postage cost of $16+ I understand your point about not wanting to pay overly postage, I don't want to either but how do I bargin USPS to below $9 I was joking when I stated the list of billables for mailing
But when you let a coin go at half of market price pay ebay and pay pal you certainly don't want to loose money on the postage too. I will agree my shipping was more than it cost me to ship but only by $3 if you include only packaging and postage. I would hand deliver if I could! and have picked up from local sellers. There is Something about manditory taxes, insurance, postage and cable tv that really bugs me (is my age showing)

there is a penny in the photo forum now and I suppose I'll upload some other stuff asap

Thank you for the words of wisdom.

Oh yeah the photo explaination I do this because I can see images that have been F**ked with in photoshop on ebay and I see images that show no information
I think it is important that people know the photo specifics things like contrast sharpening and a whole slew of other tricks can really change a coin especially above the MS 60 level I think (correct me if I'm wrong but at fine and very fine it's more about wear.
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