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 Posted 04/26/2015  5:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Montgomery to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I would like to know what you do to preserve your rolls for long term storage?
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 Posted 04/26/2015  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The best way is putting the rolls into plastic tubes. in a previous post I suggested sealing the caps with hot wax, but another member outdid my idea and said a simple and easy way is to wrap plumbers tape around the treads of the tube.
this will protect your rolls for years.
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 Posted 04/26/2015  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChildOfTheWheat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Do not keep your BU coins in paper rolls, paper has sulfer that will tone your coins. Use plastic tubes!
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 Posted 04/26/2015  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add timnic44 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I never thought of teflon tape for sealing coin tubes. That is a great idea and will start to use that. What about rolls that have the shrink wrap on them from the mint? I have rolls like that saved. I know the end coins will tone but what about the rest?
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 Posted 04/27/2015  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just my opinion but I wouldn't repackage copper pennies in mint rolls unless there was a dire reason to do so. It's the exposure to oxygen that begins the process of turning red pennies to brown therefore merely opening up a roll in order to place the coins into another type of coin holder can result in the copper pennies losing some of their bright red lustre.

I learned something very recently.... I bought a roll of 1965 pennies that, at some point in time, had been placed on a plastic tube. They were all vivid red, even around the edges. But my curiosity got the best of me, couldn't resist searching for a pointed 5, large beads that someone in the past might have missed. They were exposed to the air no longer than 5 minutes and I was careful to not touch them with my fingers. After I finished my futile search I put them back in the tube. I was horrified when by the next week I noticed the edges within that same roll had started turning visibly browned. I wonder if the exposure to air is why red graded pennies may also begin to turn brown after being placed in a holder.
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 Posted 04/27/2015  11:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Then that means that most or all of the Landon super gem cents will be quickly turning red and then to on to RB....as are the rest of our choice cents..
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 Posted 04/27/2015  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pfrien to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The best time to store things in an air-tight container is in the dead of winter, when there is minimal humidity in the air.
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I have no idea.....seems to me the composition of pennies has changed as time went by? I might add that other red cents that I wanted to add to my collection, whereby I immediately placed into a 2x2 holder without laying them out to "look" are as red as ever, some as early as '50 vintages. My personal learning from this experience - albeit the situation with the 1965 cents might have been caused by higher humidity on that certain day - is if I have the inkling to search through a roll of red cents, it's better to quickly mount them in airtight holders, then look, and not plan to store then in rolls again.

No one else has had the experience of searching through red cents, exposing them to air, causing them to very quickly begin to turn brown (ie tarnish)? My uneducated theory is if a copper coin has been deprived of oxygen within it's environment for several decades, sudden exposure to air causes it to "soak" up oxygen more quickly causing the chemical reaction, compared to the behaviour of a newer red vintage. If this is the case, I would also assume grading companies are well aware of this and that for example, Landon gems, are dealt with in a very carefully controlled environment.
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 Posted 04/27/2015  2:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DEVLEC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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....Landon gems, are dealt with in a very carefully controlled environment.


No they're not...I think that they were left to a religious organization or some church..and quickly brought to auction..

....and before the auction..they were stuffed into ICCS plastic holders ...and now distributed around North America and the globe.. Some will live in a dryer climate and many will be in a humid environment..

Going by the lasted PBGS and ICCS etc news..All of our nice cents "will have to go red and then red and brown"....It's just a matter of time ...
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Yes I hear what you say. The thing of it is - similar to my 1965 roll of red cents, which is certainly no comparison by way of value BUT I also purchased it from an auction house and therefore I have absolutely no way of knowing whether or not, at some point prior to the auction, advertised as coming from an estate, that someone didn't open up the roll and recklessly sift through it without bothering to use tweezers or wear gloves. Then by the time I checked the roll, it was already on its way to becoming partially brown regardless of how careful I was. One has absolutely no way of determining the manner of everyone who handles the coins prior to the buyer making the purchase.

Over time, the future of the Langdon red cents will be interesting.
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 Posted 04/27/2015  4:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petersun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hold on... So from what I heard here, in this thread, I should remove my BU coins from original wrappers (from bank) and move them into plastic tubes?
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 Posted 04/27/2015  5:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not necesarrily, I'd need a real good reason to move coins from one type of roll holder to another. But I think the original discussion pertained to the fact that the downside of bank paper rolled coin is that paper can absorb moisture depending on how and where the coin rolls are stored - as opposed to the advantage of being able to securely seal coin in plastic coin roll holders.

Someone please correct me, if I'm wrong.
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 Posted 04/27/2015  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add inconnu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have only five rolls, but trey are packed in a vacuum sealed bag. There's not a lot of oxygen ( if any ) inside the bag.

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Sounds like a good way, Rob.

I don't have a whole lot of rolls either, only 9 or 10. I store them in an old tobacco tin with a lid that seals. This same tobacco tin has preserved coins including red pennies back even to the '50s so it's more than proven it works for me. If the coins are in a plastic tube, I stuff a small piece of a cotton ball into the end of the roll so the coins are snug. I also pack the tin with cotton balls, to remove the air and keep them in place.
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I think that no matter what we do.. the cents will some day go red and then to RB and so on..

Maybe adding some of the little packs of silica gel that adsorb humidity will help and changing them out as the seasons change.
Living in a desert is a nice safer way also..

...okiecorner has the best method by going mostly for the chocolate brown ones..and he's now dragged me over "to the dark side".

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 Posted 04/27/2015  9:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Fixguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd agree in some silica gel packs too. For moisture. Interesting thread.
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