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1799 Draped Bust Dollar (Possible) Fake

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/1799-1-BUST...em4d1f601e08

Pretty sure that looks like a copper-nickel fake
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No expert but I think it could be one of the overdates (1799/8) Bolender 1 or 2. Baggy as all get out, cleaned, etc.... but I think it is real. ?
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Looks real. 100% feedback +. Just look at those ratings!
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Looks genuine to me.
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It's good.
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Looks good, just WAY over priced.
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Looks good to me.
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Why charge S/H on a $1,000 coin? At that price, can't you factor that fee into the listing price? Always been a pet peeve of mine..
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Pretty sure that looks like a copper-nickel fake


So let's turn this into a teaching moment. What is it about this one that makes you believe it fake?
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I'm guessing it's the color that made the OP suspect a fake. Most fakes I've seen have a similarly dull, gray color. Then too, an untrained eye might mistake all those tiny marks for a cast piece. The fakes typically have XF detail. The wear on this genuine coin is evenly fine.

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Let me throw a small question at the Early Dollar experts. I have this one as an early (first use, I gather this die pair was split and then rejoined after the reverse struck other stuff) B-16 - close 1-7, missing top left serif of the U. No real visible die cracking, but I can see some of the clashing this one is known for.

Here's the question: What of the joined denticles at UN on the auction coin? I looked at the first 50 of B-16 at Heritage without seeing such a thing. Then I switched to B-11, apparently the last usage of the reverse and you can tell it's a pretty tired die by that time, without seeing them either. I don't see anything resembling damage in that area which could fill denticles. There is a little bit of a ridge on the inside of the fill, but even accounting for additional circulation after a hit which caused it I can't really envision that as damage. Thoughts?
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My standard answer: For that much money I want it slabbed.
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Ddave, it's that ridge that really makes me think this is a rim ding; the force was just applied perpendicular to the face of the coin. Especially given all the other damage in the fields, that makes it look like this coin spent some time rattling around in a gearbox.
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I've been watching a coin from this seller. After seeing this post, I looked around and found it interesting they have dozens of high grade/dollar coins - all raw. They have only 2-3 in slabs, or perhaps, still in slabs.
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Looks like the real thing to me all day long !!
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Ddave, it's that ridge that really makes me think this is a rim ding; the force was just applied perpendicular to the face of the coin. Especially given all the other damage in the fields, that makes it look like this coin spent some time rattling around in a gearbox.


That was my assumption. I considered the coin genuine when I posted, just fishing for someone who might have product-specific knowledge of a similar fake.
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