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1989 Penny What Kind Of Doubling Is It

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Trying to see what type of doubling or what it is that is visible on this coin. Also a bit of it in liberty. Thanks

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Looks like a plating it's common for these pennies. A lot of times it won't even still have the copper. It will be broken and the zinc will be showing and rotting. This is my explication someone else might better explain
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 Posted 05/01/2015  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Plating seems to be widespread on zincoids, but I'm going out on a limb and thinking md.
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All I know is it looked different to my untrained eye
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Md is Machine Doubling for this novice correct?
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in this case, MD is Machine Doubling
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Any type of collector value on mds?
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No
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Nope, MD is the numismatic equivalent of fools gold I believe
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This coin exhibits Die Deterioration Doubling. Here is an example of what you have if I am correct. This one also shows Plating Split Doubling. I described both effects in booklet I wrote in 1993, entitled, Doubling - Worthless Or Valuable. I think this was the first treatment on the subject though I may have written about it in CONECA's Errorscope earlier. Coin shown submitted by Mike Van Allen Polsih-American Numismatic Society Coin Show Feb., 17, 2013.

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BTW, In that booklet I also noted that the Mintmark being punched into the die rather than hubbed, predisposed that area of the die into having plating splits more often and more dramatically that on other areas of the coin. A Mintmark punched into the die is at a sharper angle to the field than one hubbed into the die. Nonetheless, the zinc plating on business strikes is so thin that any copper plated zinc cent from the prior to and after the introduction of Mintmarks into the hubbing process, can have plating split doubling. (Mintmarks went into the master tooling starting in 1990 - today they are part of the plaster. Another interesting effect is when the plating springs back and piles up next to the MM.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong. That means the date is md and the D is split plating. That's why most of the split plating is on the mm's, because of the depth the copper has to stretch farther. Good to know. thanks Koinpro.
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Ken, you read my mind.
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The date is not MD ( Machine Doubling) it is Die Deterioration Doubling. I can't see what is on your mintmark. A better image is needed.
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Got it. Don't know what I was thinking. getting late I guess.
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CoinMaster,
I knew what you meant. Just wanted to get it right for the new guy.
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