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ICG 1880-S Morgan - MS-64?!?!

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http://www.greatcollections.com/Coi...-MS-64-Toned

^is that coin even uncirculated?!?

I know ICG over grades, but that's egregious
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sorry wrong forum
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To be honest,when I first saw that coin,it has the look of one that was cleaned a long time ago and is starting to retone..
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Diablos on the right track
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OK.

1) Look at the reverse breast feathers, neck and the talons. If that doesn't tell you the coin is Mint State, use this as a teaching moment. This is incontrovertibly a Mint State Morgan, and not a poorly-graded one. It's all in knowing first, what a Mint State Morgan looks like - if the reverse ain't worn, the obverse can't be - and second, what even the best digital imagery does to a coin's appearance especially in a slab. They had too much overhead light.

2) I just discussed this type of toning earlier today:

https://goccf.com/t/228869

Believe what you wish, and by all means trumpet this as circulated. Somebody reading will get it for a song as a result.

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Yes, it is uncirculated and I would imagine the coin is very pretty under the right lighting.
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Yeah, I'm learning not to look at the hair.
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Looks scratched up behind her head. Especially a big ole scratch that carries from her hat into the surround field
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That's a terrible picture of it. I wouldn't buy it based on that picture alone.
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It kind of has the same look as Darth Morgan's avatar coin.
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Somebody reading will get it for a song as a result.
The opening bid is about full retail for an MS-64 1880-S so whoever is going to bid on this coin will be because he really likes the toning and is willing to pay a premium for it.


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I know ICG over grades,
So does PCGS and NGC that is why you have judge the coin and not rely on the label for the grade.
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The opening bid is about full retail for an MS-64 1880-S so whoever is going to bid on this coin will be because he really likes the toning and is willing to pay a premium for it.


True, and if it gets much bidding I'd be out. I'm unsure it gets a bid at all, and if I were planning on it I'd be straight-up manually sniping near the end at about $85 max.
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I'd say MS64 is right on the money grade wise. If the strike was stronger, this coin could easily go MS65+ and some people pay a slight premium for toning like this.
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