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OMG that is a very nice Cud! Very awesome find  |
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The reverse is what happens when all the metal is filling in the obverse Cud, which pretty much proves positively that it's exactly what you think it is. And it's a big one. Far larger than anything currently listed for this date at Cuds on Coins. This is not to say that it might be a further breakage - a later die state - of one they already have listed, but they don't record die markers there to make that deduction possible. I don't care much for that site, for that reason. Insufficient scholarship rigor. With yours reliably tied to a much smaller, earlier version, it would create a Holy Grail-type die state series quest. And heck, your images here would be a good start on a die marker series since so many polishing lines are visible. Not complete, because you'd want more than just polishing lines, but a pretty good start. |
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Gosh, Dave, thanks. Now I am really excited. So, I should look for markers and take more pictures and send in to Cuds on Coins? |
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This one is listed in Sam Thurman and Arnold Margolis' The Cud Book on page 103 as LC-83-39. This means it is the 39th Cud listed for that date. While not the largest Cud for the date, it is larger than the vast majority and the largest at the Base Of Bust (BOB). The Cud Book is the definitive resource on Cuds for now in spite of some of its shortcoming. There are no markers and all images are not clear. Still, it's one of those kind of books you appreciate having when it works out for you. There is also a small Supplement to this book that is quite scarce. Now here comes the shameless plug. I have some of these books for sale on my web site. It's possible I'm the only one that has any and I'm sure I only have two or three. By letting you know I have two or three for sale I can use the below image without it being a copyright infringement. This is a "sample" page. (OK?) BTW, I found it interesting that Margolis (in all his books) always listed Cuds with sequential numbers without regard as to whether they were on the obverse or reverse. Click Image To Enlarge
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BTW, I have just short of a roll of 1983 BOB Cuds that show no weakness on the reverse. This is partially because the typical BOB Cuds for this date are small and the break on the die was probably shallow. Some US Mint dies that I had from 1968 (mostly defaced via torch) that had Cuds were very shallow. Edited by koinpro
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Thanks Ken! Nice Cud Stormy - enjoy your find! |
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Thanks for the info, Ken. That's very helpful!
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That is a very nice Cud. Congrats. That's bigger than any I've found in circulation! Quote:
I don't care much for that site, for that reason. Insufficient scholarship rigor. With yours reliably tied to a much smaller, earlier version, it would create a Holy Grail-type die state series quest. And heck, your images here would be a good start on a die marker series since so many polishing lines are visible. Not complete, because you'd want more than just polishing lines, but a pretty good start. Going any further beyond simple front and back photos of a die break is far more time consuming and expensive. In most cases, an in-hand analysis from an expert would be needed, since most examples are probably sent in by those who don't know how to identify die markers (I have trouble with this on many modern coins). I think that the incompleteness (across existing Cuds) of the website is its downside. Granted, it is a work in progress and new coins are being listed all the time. The hard work that BJ (and others) has put into the site is evident. I'm assuming the difficulty is that photos cannot be displayed on the site unless they are submitted or if have permission from the owner to use them is given. |
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