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1880-O Morgan Dollar - High Ms! Please Grade!

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 Posted 05/09/2015  11:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UncleLuc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ouch. That's alright, I'm still doing o.k at that grade based on the price I paid. I was thinking a much higher quality strike, and couldn't detect wear myself.
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 Posted 05/09/2015  11:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU55 to 58.

For some weird reason there are a lot of high end AU 1879-O and 1880-O Morgan dollars out in Coinland. It's almost as if they were released for a few days and then suddenly pulled back in by the Treasury. You also see a lot of 83-S and 84-S dollars like that, too.
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 Posted 05/10/2015  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NathanASE to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice Morgan, she's definitely got a great strike for a New Orleans minted coin... Unfortunately, she was even crisper before she circulated, which she absolutely has. As noted this was actually a good year for New Orleans so the nice strike isn't too surprising. The wear on the high spots is a dead giveaway, the Eagles breast, wings, as well as the high points on the obverse, as well as the halos/scuffs. Id put her at AU55, maybe 58 even.

I don't think it's been cleaned at all... Ok, well... t's probably been dipped at somepoint like the majority of older coins... But not harshly cleaned etc. The halos and "scuffs" in the fields are a tell tale sign of light circulation for Morgan's, not quite the same look as bag marks nor the same as a cleaning. It's definitely got a great strike compared to many other year "O""'s, but unfortionitely a good strike won't bump it up into a MS grades, if it was, say a MS63 but oh so close to a 64, and had an exceptional strike and dripping luster (&/or nice toning etc), they may bump it up to the 64 grade, that's not uncommon at all.

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 Posted 05/10/2015  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The number of marks on the coin - and their look - have to convince the grader that the coin has circulated if nothing else does.

Here's why this New Orleans issue gets called "circulated" instead of "weak strike:"

Start with the talons. They're showing roundness and detail, and the moment the breast starts losing detail due to strike these start flattening as well. Then move to the legs - they show wear, and the breast is almost gone due to flat strike before the legs start showing flatness. OK, the bottom left large leaf on the wreath. It's sharply-struck, and although this is one of the later spots where a weak strike shows it tend to support the idea that the coin has circulated.

1880 was a good year for New Orleans strikes. They tend to be pretty strong. I'm calling this one AU55 not for wear but for the marks.
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AU-58
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I'd think MS-60.
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