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1879 Ho (Hermosillo) 8 Reales

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This is a favorite of mine, one of the few raw "Cap & Rays" ocho reales I've ever run across that I judge to be uncirculated and unmolested (meaning the surfaces are original, that is, without hairlines or being artficially white). In making the determination that no wear has been incurred, the aspect on which to focus is the eagle's claw that's grasping the snake. Even on very nice specimens that at first glance would seem to have a shot at a mint state grade, this high point will often be seen to have been ever so slightly smoothed or flattened. Not the case with this one (the middle toe is actually the tiniest bit concave, but still totally unabraded so far as I can tell).

An interesting die pair, as well. Note the augmentation of the design with regard to the snake's body, which exhibits a very bold and regular segmentation. There's the barest hint of similarity to the "laughing snake" motif that I've previously pointed out with respect to the Alamos issue from the same year, although the Hermosillo version comes off as grimacing instead (see: https://goccf.com/t/229361 to compare the two). Turning the coin over, the "9" is a bit oversized (in this respect my example seems somewhat at variance with the one shown in Respandores). However, the one pictured at http://www.coinfactswiki.com/wiki/M..._JA_8_reales would appear to have been struck with the same cap side die as mine right down to another minor quirk, which is the raised dot in the upper middle of the cap.

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Colligo ergo sum
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Superb - it's an amazing zample !
Thanks for sharing it :)
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Is this 1879 Ho "grimacing snake" the only year and mint they used this particular design for the snake?
It seems the snake actually has an eye and a small tongue to me.
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Quote:
Is this 1879 Ho "grimacing snake" the only year and mint they used this particular design for the snake?


Without going into too much depth, 1879 predates the universal adoption by the various mints of standardized die designs. Most individual mints were still employing engravers who rendered dies to a general pattern, but with a great deal of heterogeneity in the details. Even within the production of a single date by such mints, there might be discernible varieties depending upon the artist's ability to accurately reproduce his earlier work or even on account of a midyear switch to a noticeably disparate style.

As an example of the first, more minor and subtle sort of dissimilarity that may be encountered, consider the image below of another 1879 Ho (not mine) for which the snake's mouth is opened a bit wider with upper and lower jaws of a bit more equal length, the resulting expression seeming to be (to me at least) one of surprise rather than anguish.

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Now since the eagle side die isn't dated, the exact type I have could conceivably turn up on a Hermosillo struck specimen bearing a different date. You'd have to examine quite a few coins to be convinced it or something extremely similar didn't, and even then you couldn't be 100% certain. The crafting of Mexican 8 reales coins during the period was just too irregular.
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