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1858 Flying Eagle Reverse Error - What Kind?

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I have a 1858 Flying Eagle cent coin that appears to have some kind of error on the reverse of the coin.

Can someone please help me identify what this is and how it would happen? See pictures below.

Also, does this take away from the value of the coin or enhance it?

Thank you for your help!

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 Posted 06/12/2015  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jgfindring to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not an expert on errors, but this looks to me like a serious misaligned die, very cool and it increases the value. I'ld love to have that coin! (Not an offer to buy! You are too new to sell here.)
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this is a mis aligned die! to FE cent collectors, I can only imagine this coin will be hugely important and carry some nice dollar signs. ill let someone better with US coins halp you out with value, explanation etc.
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This appears to be a MAD or Misaligned Die Error. The die making the REV of the coin was not lined up when the dies came together on the coin. I am sure someone else will pipe up with a better technical explanation.

The MAD should add good value to the coin, but also some potential value might be lost if this coin - as the pic makes it look - has been cleaned. The pic makes it look as if someone did the old "pencil eraser on a penny" trick to clean the coin up. A lot of well meaning people have ruined coins by cleaning them.

Having said that, this is a neat error - especially on a Flying Eagle cent.


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 Posted 06/12/2015  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ladydiz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your feedback. I was wondering if someone might have cleaned the coin, it is really too bad that folks do this to the coins. I still really like it since it is such a cool error to find on a Flying Eagle cent.
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You are welcome - here is one on ebay right now that may be similar to yours:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1858-anacs-...em1c53b1a773
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That is a really great looking error. I have no idea on the value but it would be more than the graded one at ANACS in the ebay listing because this MAD is slightly more serious.
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Yes, a MAD.

And a nice one

also, yes cleaned
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Very interesting, normally the die that is misaligned is the hammer die and that, up until the last few decades , was usually the obverse die. On this coin the reverse is misaligned which barring a broken collar would mean the reverse was used as a hammer die. Was this odd for this era?
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I believe the FE hammer die was the reverse, definitely odd especially for that era.
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Ha ! Maybe the night watchman was playing again. Many thanks SD !
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Just a thought on it being cleaned.if it was the eraser trick then given time and proper storage it should get back to close to original color. At showes I once went to there was a dealer that delt in nothing but coppers an all his circulated stuff was stored in manila flips. O we time stored in one of these it should tone back down some
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The surface originality should not be considered from just these images. They're a bit overlit, on an odd-colored background and there are at least two color temperatures lighting it - note the bluish tinge on the lower right of each image, possibly from a monitor.

This is not to demean the photography, but to illustrate why the in-hand look of the coin could be quite different from the evidence here.
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Very true
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not trying to hijack the post, but mine looks to be the same as yours. I bet they were just a few away from each other before the hammer die was readjusted.

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