Morgan Error- Low Pres Strike Or Counterfit?

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Cascade Pillar of the Community United States 7390 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 10:09 am Ok guys, is this an error of some kind or a cast counterfit? It passes the ring test perfectly. I believe it is silver. That said do any known cast counterfits sound like silver? It had me thinking it was real because of it until the blown up pics here Weight is only 26.0 grams Enough talk, here she is!... Edited by Cascade 07/04/2015 2:17 pm Report this Post to the Staff

91o_collector Valued Member United States 122 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 1:09 pm I'm not an expert by any means, but my initial thought is cast counterfeit, well worn with plenty of post mint damage. Report this Post to the Staff
Cascade Pillar of the Community United States 7390 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 1:40 pm That was of coarse my first thought but its not magnetic & passes the ring test with flying colors. But now that I see the pics it does look like a cast. How did I miss that. I did the ring test and it's perfect so I didn't look close enough I guess Are there known silver cast counterfits? Edited by Cascade 07/04/2015 2:02 pm Report this Post to the Staff
kakaratt77 Pillar of the Community United States 1414 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 1:54 pm Check the date, the '1' definitely looks wrong.... Report this Post to the Staff
Cascade Pillar of the Community United States 7390 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 2:04 pm Ya jeff, I Feel stupid. I don't know, I think I was blinded by the ring test and set off on the wrong path. Just goes to show how even somewhat experienced people can get fooled. But boy does it sound exactly like silver Report this Post to the Staff
Cascade Pillar of the Community United States 7390 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 2:07 pm I think I've been spending a little too much time in moderns lately Report this Post to the Staff
ExoGuy Pillar of the Community United States 4416 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 4:14 pm I'm thinking that this may be an early 1900's counterfeit; perhaps, having some silver in the mix. To my experience, these were often mushy strikes. This purposeful appearance of having experienced much circulation (signaling acceptance in daily trade) made these issues all the more deceptive. The Morgan dollar and Barber coin designs tended to be most targeted. I've seen early dated Walkers looking like this, too. Report this Post to the Staff
Cascade Pillar of the Community United States 7390 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 4:41 pm Exo, contemporary counterfit crossed my mind earlier and I was waiting to see if anyone thought that as well. I have zero experience with them like the micro o's and such. I wonder if Steve Caruso would know. Maybe I should ping him Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 5:35 pm Inteeresting thread. I am clueless about this subject, and it is most interesting to learn more about it. Report this Post to the Staff
ExoGuy Pillar of the Community United States 4416 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 5:39 pm I recently had a go-round of sorts over what constitutes a "contemporary" counterfeit. At what point does a counterfeit become non-contemporary? My own feeling is that ten, maybe twenty years, less than a generation in time, would justify the use of contemporary. I'd be curious to see what Steve has to say on this sub-topic as well. Report this Post to the Staff
Cascade Pillar of the Community United States 7390 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 5:42 pm Ok I'll ping him now but it's the 4th so he might not get back right away. Report this Post to the Staff
Conder101 Bedrock of the Community United States 17884 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 5:42 pm Quote: Are there known silver cast counterfits? Cast pieces, even silver, will typically not ring or not ring well. Looks like a counterfeit struck from poor quality dies. Quite possibly contemporary and if so being silver would not be that unlikely. (silver prices were down and a silver fake dollar would only have about 50 cents worth of silver in it. Weight is too low. Report this Post to the Staff
ExoGuy Pillar of the Community United States 4416 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 5:46 pm BTW, the numerous, tiny marks on this suspected counterfeit could perhaps be explained by it having spent some time in a tumbler, bouncing about with other metal objects. One of the better known 19th century counterfeiters used to put his ancient "copies" in the hubs of his wagon wheels. Report this Post to the Staff
Cascade Pillar of the Community United States 7390 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 6:10 pm Exo, that could explain the very smooth almost river rock feel to the surfaces!? Conder... I performed the ring test with this one and a real one in xf45 condition. Going back and forth about 10 times and I can say with certinty that I cannot distinguish between the two sounds Report this Post to the Staff
noD Pillar of the Community United States 1584 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 8:10 pm Circulated genuine IMO. The date looks good to me. I don't see anything pointing to counterfeit. Report this Post to the Staff
dave700x Rest in Peace United States 10625 Posts	Posted 07/04/2015 8:19 pm My first thought was and still is PMD. Report this Post to the Staff
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