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Yep the weight is a bit low even with that much wear. The damage and wear does not seem to be enough to remove .7 grams. The lettering is quite mushy, again hard to tell if it was that way from a counterfeit die or just wear/damage. The design overall isn't too bad looking - meaning nothing to out positively that it's fake. The rims look correct as does the edge reeding.
We do know there have been some pretty darn good counterfeits made, the micro O dollars even were being slabbed by PCGS, NGC and ANACS turned out to be fakes.
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Here's a somewhat similar looking Morgan that weighs 20.0 grams:   Note the somewhat rounded letters, numerals and stars. |
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Westcoin how would wear be so random plus how would it totally abolish the top arrowhead? I think these factors preclude natural wear don't you?
Exo, as "bad" as that one is it is more sharp looking than mine if that makes sense. I wonder what the reeding looks like on that one... However I also now have the urge stamp mine "Thad" lol
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Cascade ... The reeding looks more convincing than that on the OP's piece. This one's over 20% underweight. The seemingly rounded features are similar to that on the OP's piece, methinks.
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Exo, I am the op lol. And yes, there are similarities but just as many differances in the overall features as well. Like the obverse lettering for one. My letters look very realistic and on that one they're a dead giveaway
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Exo, I am the op lol. Forgot ... I'm gettin' more old by the day, the thread ...  Looking at your close-ups, Cascade, I see a similar looking, rounding effect with the letters, etc. It looks to me like they were inflated. Need I visit the eye doctor?  I suspect that mine didn't circulate as much; this, given its low weight of 20.0 grams. In addition to the BAD c/s, it was hole-cancelled, like early paper scrip that had been withdrawn from circulation. |
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The more I look at this, the one thing that keeps popping out at me is the edge.
Notice in the second photo showing the edge (with the obverse facing upward) how there appears to be a hole/inlet in the reeding. The hole is also noticeable in the comparison picture showing the edges horizontally.
To my eye, that spot/hole/inlet looks deeper than a mere bump or ding to the edge.
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I think any uneven wear is from PMD done on purpose, or it was struck with a counterfeit die, that could explain the unevenness overall, the die may not have been as hard as it needs to be nor would a counterfeit be struck with anywhere near the same tonnage that Morgan dollars are struck at around 150 tons per square inch. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
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Thanks for your input west & medow, Mike diamond took a look at it and he also agrees that contemporary counterfit is a possibility that should be looked into. My new mission is to get this into the right hands for proper evaluation.
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