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So I know the diagnostic for a 1944 henning nickel is the absence of the P and the broken r, but what other dates did henning mint nickels for? And is the diagnostic the same with the R? And one last question, how rare/valuable are the other dates compared to '44?
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He also made nickels dated 39, 46, 47, and 53. His planchets were 0.4g overweight, due to having a higher copper:nickel ratio (roughly 80:20 with a trace of iron versus 75:25 for a genuine nickel). I can't speak to the rarity or price, but the "other" Hennings rarely come up, either because they are significantly less common, or because they circulate unnoticed alongside genuine nickels.
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 Posted 07/16/2015  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mycrob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The other dates are correct as mentioned above by Finn. There were a total of 6 obverse dies (the 5 known dates being 1939, 1944 no P with no silver, 1946, 1947, and 1953, with possibility of a 6th unknown date or the 6th die was another 1944, although 1943, 1945, and 1951 have been suggested as the 6th unknown date- but none have surfaced). There were also 6 reverse dies.

The most common date is 1944 no P and this coin is what got Francis LeRoy Henning caught- because of the mint mark missing on the reverse. Authentic 1944 Jeffersons have silver in the composition and have a P mint mark above the dome on the reverse. And because the diagnostic P is missing in the 1944 Henning, this is by far the easiest date to recognize the coin as a Henning.

Weights: the weights are so close to normal Jefferson nickels that they are considered indistinguishable (5.1-5.4 g for Hennings versus 5.0 g for authentic Jeffersons). Weight cannot be used as a determining factor- if it is overweight, yes you may have one, but if it is normal weight, it does NOT rule out that it might be a Henning.

The blanks used for these counterfeits were 79.1% copper, 20.5% nickel and 0.4% iron. When the blanks were seized, it is believed they were used to mint authentic Jefferson nickels later on, so some Jefferson nickels might have traces of iron in them.

The broken R in "Pluribus" is a hallmark of a Henning, BUT not all Hennings had them because Henning used 6 different dies to mint the coins. Some of the dies have the broken R and some don't.

The counterfeits look mushy, have less rim detail, may appear "porous" or rough in the surfaces. Some Hennings have raised dots or pimples in the M of "UNUM".

Henning bought the planchets for 3.5 cents apiece, plus had to buy the equipment for making the counterfeits, so he didn't net much profit. He made an estimated 500,000 counterfeits (planchet cost: $17,500, face value= $25,000). About 100,000 reached circulation by 1954 (he deposited them as rolls), with another 200,000 dumped by Henning in Copper Creek, NJ when he realized the Secret Service was on his tail. Only about 14,000 were recovered. The other 200,000 are believed to have been dumped in the Schuylkill River.

Henning was arrested in 1955 in Cleveland and sentenced to 3 years prison and a $5000 fine (NOT paid in nickels!).

The auction prices for Hennings (1944 no P) on ebay have very spirited bidding. Strangely, the bidding for Hennings (they tend to be G4-VG8) is higher than the key date authentic Jeffersons. They have surpassed the $75 mark a few times but $50-60 range is typical. There are three on ebay currently with BIN of >$100. I think that is a bit too high.

I personally have only seen the 1944 no P both with and without the broken R. I have never seen the other dates, so cannot comment more on the diagnostics to determine that it is a Henning. I would venture to guess that the other Henning dates are extremely scarce and would command prices well above $100.

Henning Nickels belong to a category referred to as Black Cabinet Coins. These are known, documented counterfeits that have a following and they do trade often for considerable money.


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Thanks finn and mycrob, just increased my knowledge of henning nickels by tenfold
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If anyone does have a Henning dated other than 1944 no P, I would love to see close up pictures of obverse/reverse to learn more about possible diagnostic markers. I think the other dates are out there among circulated Jefferson nickels.
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I have tried searching for a few years through LCS's and online for one other than the '44 to no avail. I havent even been able to find a pic or even more so a post of one being discovered. I'm pretty sure the only reason we know the other dates is through police reports.
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Also, you say one would go for over $100, with the upward pricing trend of these in the last few years I can imagine its worth close well over $100 to the right collector, maybe $500, who knows, maybe $1k.
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Thanks, mycrob!
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Okay, so this is cool. Thanks for the write-up. I never knew about Henning nickels.

The only real "diagnostic" I'm seeing is:


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The counterfeits look mushy, have less rim detail, may appear "porous" or rough in the surfaces.


If that's all we have to go on for a diagnostic (for the non-1944 Hennings), then we may never see a non-1944 Henning.

I'm thinking that was kinda his point, though, eh?
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https://goccf.com/t/118960

At least one member on here has a '39 Henning.

As for a definitive method of identification, I am not sure there is one besides the holed R and off composition. The average nickel from 1938-54 is going to be in pretty rough shape, so "porous and weakly struck" probably doesn't mean much anymore.

The fact that his nickels (besides the '44) are so hard to detect is, I think, impressive in its own right.
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 Posted 07/16/2015  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pyrbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The information above is well written and accurate. I actually have two 1939 Henning nickels. Both were found in circulation. I also have two 1944 Hennings that are practically as made (or UNC). If you do a search on this forum for Henning you will find them plus some off dates posted by other members. So far all of the off dated Hennings I have seen have the defective R.

By the way, there is a 1948 Henning listed on ebay. Beware of it.
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OK thanks, Pyrbob.

Interesting that the government seems to have no interest in confiscating these forgeries - they are talked about and advertised widely for sale.
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Here's the 1939 I submitted some time ago. I've been collecting all of my life & coin roll hunting nickels for two years A while after I got into coin roll hunting I learned about Hennings. I checked all of mine & found this one, so I'm not positive when & where I found it.

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I always find these discussions about Henning nickels interesting. My question is always, WHY? Was he simply bored? Doesn't sound like there was much if any potential profit to be made after buying the planchets and the equipment (depending on the cost of the equipment).

I just looked at a couple sites that estimate what $5k would be worth in 2015, and they consensus is $60k+, so I guess if the equipment only cost $2500, he could have stood to make some money.
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That 1939 is awesome Loco, have you ever received any significant offers for it?
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pyrbob, just saw that 1948 and anyone who buys that is just not doing any homework whatsoever. No break in the R, and those details are so crisp. Any chance you be willing to part with one of the 39's?
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