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My Latest Buffalo Nickel Haul

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 Posted 08/11/2015  11:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add duncanbishop24 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely agree with 1918. Awesome pick ups!
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 Posted 08/12/2015  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike1487 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Not an 8, that's a 6 for sure.



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Definitely agree with 1918.


Got some split opinions. I saw 1916 right away and that is what I'm going with. The inner loops of the 6 and an 8 are significantly different, and judging by how large the loops are, it is a 1916. The loops would be much smaller if it were an 8.

As further evidence, you will notice that the S mintmark is shorter (squished vertically) for 1916 than it is for 1918. The S mintmark for 1918 is taller and generally in a further south position than 1916.
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 Posted 08/12/2015  01:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aahz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Although I have some Buffalo nickels, I am *FAR* from being an expert. However, I do know something about image forensics, and thought I'd do a little analysis.

I took an image of a high-grade 1916 buffalo and adjusted the angle so that it was a near-exact match for one of the OP's photos. I superimposed the coin in question over the known date, then varied the transparency to see how they compared. Here are some results, ranging from just the high-end coin to just the coin in question:

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What becomes apparent is how well the curves of the 6 (both the top and the loop) match. If the coin in question was a 1918 instead, the curves would not match because the 8 is pinched in the middle and the top of the bottom loop doesn't curve up. This is a 1916
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 Posted 08/12/2015  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carnold744 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just as a counterargument, let me provide this. On a 1916, the entire left side of the 6 goes straight down, whereas the left side of the 8 indents in the middle. Look at the arrow I put in the pic. It sure looks like that is an indentation on the left side of the number, unless my eyes are playing tricks on me.

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 Posted 08/12/2015  11:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aahz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good counterargument, and I did notice those very things you're pointing out. As I said, I'm *not* a Buffalo nickel expert, so I went into my study of this coin not knowing which to choose. I downloaded images of both 1916 and 1918 nickels so I could do the analysis with both and see which was a better match. The 1916 was by far the better match.

I'm not at home where my pics are, but when I do get there I'll show the same things I did with the 1918. I really should have uploaded both with my first post - my bad.
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 Posted 08/12/2015  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carnold744 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That would be much appreciated. Both my 16 and 18 examples in my set are acid dates, so this coin will be an upgrade either way. I just want to be sure before I put it in my folder. Thanks for doing this.
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 Posted 08/12/2015  11:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aahz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No problem - I view it as something of a challenge!

I know what you mean. I have an 1885 Liberty nickel with the date in similar condition. It took me about a half-hour with a 16x loupe to determine that it was an 1885 and NOT an 1895. I didn't want to fill the hole unless I knew it was an actual 1885.
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 Posted 08/12/2015  11:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mike1487 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The indentation argument is not that convincing for me. It could be a well placed hit, scratch or wear pattern. The size of the loops and the mintmark observation I made earlier are much clearer to see. With that much wear on the date, sometimes it is better to examine the larger picture rather than get hung up on minute details like a possible indent. The mintmark is in the position that it is in, no question about it. If you look at many 1916-S and 1918-S Buffalo nickels and compare the mintmark position, you will find that it closely matches 1916-S.

By the way, I've spent a lot of time staring at worn Buffalo nickels..and I know how frustrating it can be.
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Very interesting thread. I've enjoyed it.
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 Posted 08/12/2015  12:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CalzoneManiac to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice 1916-S!
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 Posted 08/12/2015  6:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carnold744 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After looking at the date a little harder and comparing the mintmark to other examples, I am willing to concede that this is in fact a 1916 coin. This has been a fun back and forth. Not much more fun than nerding out over the date on a Buffalo nickel! :D
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OK. Just to be on the safe side, I did a double-check of the alignment of the known coins over the "mystery coin." I did have to make some tiny adjustments to get the alignment just right, but I think they're right on now.

The reason I say this is that it is not as obvious as I had stated before that the OP's coin is a 1916. Once I corrected the alignment of the 1918 over the coin and shifted the transparency, I could see how some features do line up with the 1918:
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But I still think it is a 1916:
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In addition to having the arch over the lower loop, the OP's coin has two light reflections -- one at the bottom inside of the loop and one right where the loop connects to the left side -- that exactly match a pair of reflections on the 1916. Those reflections are there because there is still enough metal in the 6 to produce a raised feature for the light to reflect off of.

The upper reflection helps demonstrate that the number is a 6, not an 8. Look again on the 1918 image - a portion of the 8 would have to cross where that raised area is, and if it was an 8, there would be no raised feature to create that reflection. Or it would be in a different spot.

But what about the indentation on the left that people are seeing? I think that is a result of that portion of the 6 - on the side just above where the loop connects - is rather thin and wears a little quicker than the rest of the 6. In searching for a good photo to use for this project, I came across a number of low-grade 1916 coins where this area was worn even with the surrounding metal, whereas other parts of the 6 were still visible.

Anyway, between this and the other markers referred to by other posters, I think this is a 1916-S. But the images are now here for anyone to judge for themselves. To quote Forrest Gump, "That's all I have to say about that."
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 Posted 08/12/2015  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ChildOfTheWheat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMHO it's a 1918. By the way, that's a really cool animation you put together Aahz
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 Posted 08/12/2015  9:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Aahz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks! Like I posted before, I took it as a challenge. And although I'm convinced it's a 1916, I can see how someone may still think it's a 1918, so I'm gonna leave it in the hands of other more capable experts at this point.
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 Posted 08/12/2015  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add carnold744 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Since I already have both issues anyway and the other coins I got in the set more than make up for in value what I paid, I'm considering just acid dating it and seeing who is right.
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