On The US mint site example did anyone notice that they made no claim to the error, It's because as a Government source they are not allowed to it would mean the government is makes mistakes notice they refer " According to the American Numismatic Association" or "Coin experts speculate". Speculating is still considered an opinion if it were a fact I'd be rich speculating on Gold and silver futures.
CoinCollector2000, sorry that came from the inside of the 1988 & 91 Blackbooks I in the house it reads read it to see when the 43 copper started to gain preeminence. this was also repeated on one of the sites I went to to find info on early coin error's but they did not give the source of the info. pg7 -88 pg9-91 The 1943 Copper Cent. This is undoubtedly the most celebrated of all error and variety coins. It is very rare, very expensive, and highly controversial. The Blackbook does not list this coin insofar as the opinion of experts is divided on whether it can be regarded as a true mint issue. Some experts consider it perfectly legitimate. Apparently this view is not only widely held but gaining ground, as the coin could not otherwise command the sort of prices at which it sells (in the $10,000-$20,000 range).
I don't understand what ANY of this 43 copper/steel stuff has to do with this topic. Completely irrelevant. Those coins are a 100% possibility at the mint. Anyone that questions that needs to find a new hobby. Your coin however, has maybe a .001% chance of happening at the Mint. So bringing it up and discussing it any further is 100% pointless to this topic.
SsuperDdave, thats why the coin needs to be seen I person there is NO 1944 strike on the coin what there is is 3 1934 strikes the first go's off to the Right and down off center the second went right and up off center the third went up The maple leafs because of there size bury most of the hits but with a glass you can see fairly well the under images also notice that the bottom layer spreads out the most followed by the second strike and third. this is why higher res photos would help this site. But the coin must be examined first hand.
I'm totally impressed with the high level of.....Coin Sherlockism, best description that comes to mind, on this thread.
I have nothing to offer but my imagination --- but considering the fascination of nuministics and the way it's interest has historically brought people together by way of formal clubs or groups long before the advent of the Internet, it's highly possible this piece was originally created decades ago by someone for a sort of knowledge-based contest, in order to resolve the same sort of mystery being discussed online here today.
As in "How Did This Penny Come to Be?"
"History repeats itself". If that coin were mine, I'd certainly value the learnings.
bobby131313, Because biokemist6 Wrote "That is one of the problems you are having here, you think this is all based on "opinions" and you could not be more wrong. Numismatics is based on hard facts derived from known minting production techniques, not guesswork, which is what opinions tend to be."
Quote: bobby131313, Because biokemist6 Wrote "That is one of the problems you are having here, you think this is all based on "opinions" and you could not be more wrong. Numismatics is based on hard facts derived from known minting production techniques, not guesswork, which is what opinions tend to be."
Still, has nothing to do with this topic. The only speculation on those is if they were helped or an accident. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone that thinks these were made outside the mint.
bobby131313, I was asked a question and opinions have been around since collecting coins has been going on. I was trying to point out the opinion on the 1943 copper cent has changed greatly over the last 50 some odd years. By the way no one yet has shown me how easy it is to do the soft die trick and all examples I have seen are very poor quality, could be the photo's or it could be the item themselves. Again a good reason to see the items up close and personal. Personally I had never seen a soft die. Only have had dealings with clean coins and normal ones. So like I have said I would like to see something that comes close to the Reverse of this coin. And yes I do understand the incuse would be easy but I seriously doubt making a soft die this complicated would be easy and no one has shown me I am wrong. CoinCollector2000 thanks for the short video.
trout1105, well here I am asking you can you show me something that really is irrefutable, not just opinion. I am the type person who has to see things up close, probably why these coins Item have to be seen by the grading companies, I highly doubt any would give you a grade or an opinion without seeing the coin.
why is this still a question? the dead give away is the 1943 on one side of the coin and 1941 reversed over king georges head. that would mean 1 die on top and 2 on bottom of press
Quote: I am the type person who has to see things up close
Obviously you haven't seen your coin up close.
StrangeCoins, I admire how persistent you are, I really do however to be quite honest, as entertaining as it has been, you are losing your crowd. Please post your certification findings. Have a great day.
Maybe I missed it, but nobody mentioned that "EX ET" is also reversed/incused in the first image (I'd call it the "reverse" but people seem to be calling it the obverse?). We'd have to explain how incuse happened on both sides of the coin at the mint. And just as an anecdote, some comments seem focused on the money-making issue - I messed with coins and vices when I was 12 years old, just to see what would happen. Making money from it didn't even enter my mind. Then I just spent them. Perhaps they're sitting in someone's jewelry box.
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