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Bill, it sure looks like Machine Doubling, but how can it be this severe in movement and not show on the mint mark? Jim |
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 maybe it does a little to the northeast. Jim |
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Probably because the lower southeast is not in the image. Probably there as well. Seems like that happened a lot that year also.
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I've put it like this in several recent posts. :-) One thing about Machine Doubling is that it is consistently inconsistent. The date could easily be effected while the mintmark is not. Many times the ejection from the die will effect the date on a coin which most often is sunk deeper into the die than the mintmark. |
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Many times the ejection from the die will effect the date on a coin which most often is sunk deeper into the die than the mintmark.
That's a very logical explanation for that inconsistency!  I've also notice Machine Doubling on Lincolns where the whole mm is sheared. The mm itself isn't doubled, but what should be vertical sides of the mm are tilted in the direction of the shear...I've seen that a few times at least. |
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Note that on this coin, especially on the 7 of the date, that the actual width of the devices at the field (the lowest part of what sticks out of the field) is actually very normal in size and shape. The doubling sits "on top" of these normal letters and numbers.
On a doubled die, the width of the devices at the field would actually be far wider than a normal letter or number, because the letter/number actually existed in the die in more than one position.
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That is an awesomely doubled date you got there! To see if I understand what you all are saying: To be a doubled die, the devices would be maybe overlapping but seperated by a small distance, and each device would appear equal in thickness, with no shelves...? Are there any machine doubled Lincoln cents that are worth anything? Can there still be Machine Doubling in Lincoln cents being minted today? Thanks! |
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Nothing that is machine doubled really has any value. With die doubling, a lot depends upon the "spread" as we call it. Some coins like the 1955 Doubled Die Obverse Lincoln Cent and the 1972 DDO that we are most familiar with has very visible separation between the devices. On those the spread is quite large. On coins with what we would call a "close spread" like a 1982 Doubled Die Obverse Lincoln Cent, it is tougher for the novice to pick up on it as the spread is so close and the doubling can look so flat that it can be difficult to tell that it is a doubled die unless you have experience in looking at them. Couple that with the fact that in this example, the doubling is almost perfectly to the east you wouldn't see some of the normal , "notching" that we look for on Doubled Dies. You might get a little help by looking at my web page http://www.foundinrolls.comthen look at the Varieties. It will give you an idea of what to look for. Thanks, Bill PS: ask questions! That is how you will learn! We will do what we can to help! |
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Anomaly - just remember that the true doubled dies have two sets of letters. Machine Doubling is a single set of letters that are partilally smashed. Machine Doubling is never worth anything. Yes, Machine Doubling happens all the time with any process that strikes coins. |
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