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Counterfeit 1788 Mass. Cent?

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Massachuset...em3aaff5124f

I know how common these are to be faked, even I own a counterfeit one that my LCS sold to me for a quarter just because they got messed over on it and wanted it gone. I picked it up as a conversation piece, figured I'll be making a video on my channel in the next couple months, I'm gathering counterfeits, altered dates, chinese fakes etc to make this video. Two of the coins for my video arrived in the mail from a buddy of mine (a chinese 1888 morgan and a altered 1944D cent, he sent these to me for free)

The head just looks so simple, lacks detail. Not to mention that an authentic piece would have an even spacing from the writing to the rim, and wouldn't just kind of melt into the rim like so.
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Same replica as the one in this thread, right down to the stamped letter R (for "Replica") on the reverse:
https://www.cointalk.com/threads/17...rfeit.81309/
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 Posted 08/18/2015  8:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rage1398 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Reported as replica.
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I had one like this that read "COPY".
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 Posted 08/18/2015  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHuntingDrew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The coin has to read "replica or copy", not just "R"
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 Posted 08/18/2015  11:06 pm  Show Profile   Check vermontensium's eBay Listings Check vermontensium's eCrater Listings Bookmark this reply Add vermontensium to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yup. The stick figure, cartoonish appearance is a dead giveaway of a replica piece.
Probably bought at a museum.."Colonial Coins of Early America."
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Not a fake. It is a museum gift shop replica. Very common.
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the seller has marked as a reproduction if you read through page

(R) " possible reproduction " mark

not sure if it is reportable
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The coin has to read "replica or copy", not just "R"

Not if it was made before 1973.
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It is, I'm on it.

Copies and replicas are not allowed on ebay, marked or not.
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Gone.
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Not a fake. It is a museum gift shop replica. Very common.





A replica is basically a fake. Different word, similar meaning
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It's back. 252062929076
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"A replica is basically a fake. Different word, similar meaning".

No.

A fake or modern counterfeit, as is commonly discussed on CCF, is intended to deceive collectors. It is designed to look like the real thing and was created specifically for fraudulent purposes.

A replica is created for entertainment or educational purposes. It was created with the intention to educate a wide audience and to allow people to own a likeness of a coin that may otherwise be out of reach for them or to fill a hole. These are often sold at museum gift shops and are clearly marked as copies (post 1973).
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Jerseyben .... I agree with you in principle, but common practice tells me otherwise. There are many replicas, largely produced in the 1960-70's, that lack markings to indicate their intent - to educate, as you say. In effect then, the replicas or copies become the "seeming equivalent" of counterfeits. I use the phrase "seeming equivalent" because these unmarked pieces will easily fool inexperienced, uninformed collectors.
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A fake or modern counterfeit, as is commonly discussed on CCF, is intended to deceive collectors. It is designed to look like the real thing and was created specifically for fraudulent purposes.

A replica is created for entertainment or educational purposes. It was created with the intention to educate a wide audience and to allow people to own a likeness of a coin that may otherwise be out of reach for them or to fill a hole. These are often sold at museum gift shops and are clearly marked as copies (post 1973).


Completely irrelevant when talking about ebay. None of what you describe is allowed.

Brazen seller.
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