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2013 Shield Cent Is This A Cud?

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 Posted 08/23/2015  7:23 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SheltieGuy1966 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A small break, but it does seem to affect the rim.



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 Posted 08/23/2015  7:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tapapple65 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a chip/crack to me.
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 Posted 08/23/2015  8:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob Levi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going with PMD. Looks like metal from the rim pushed over the coin.
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 Posted 08/23/2015  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add XavierOfGreen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I dont think its PMD, it looks like there is a die crack running north of the area in question
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That was my first thought but the more I look it looks like a scratch.fallow through from what did the rim damage. Is it raised sheltie?
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Got a pic of edge?
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It is a die crack with a chip. I just wondered if it would be considered a Cud due to the break affecting the rim. maybe this pic will help. I can try to get one of the rim, I have tried and failed before, lol I struggle with the photos.


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 Posted 08/23/2015  9:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob Levi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think if it's on the rim its a Cud.
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 Posted 08/23/2015  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SheltieGuy1966 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It appears to me that it does affect the rim, however it is hard to tell for sure with the magnification I have available. Maybe the worlds smallest Cud?
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 Posted 08/23/2015  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks more like a die chip issue.
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Not a cud- I dont think this counts LOL. Looks like a nice sized die chip as well as some cracks ta boot! Not a bad find
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Looks more like a die chip issue.


From cuds-on coins
Definition: A Cud is a die break that involves the rim and at least a little bit of the adjacent field or design.

Is a die chip not a break in the die coop? I have asked in previous posts how to differentiate between a die break and a die chip and still I do not know. Is the difference in the size of the affected area? I keep running into the terms "interior die break" and "die chip" on the forum. Some seem to use the terms loosely as if they are one in the same. I believe they are different, just not sure how to differentiate between the two.
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I think it's a crack leading to a break, and since it's on the rim, by definition it's a Cud.
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I know that I am going to get some feedback on this statement, but here goes. Technically the anomaly being discussed here is a Cud, though very small, it is still a Cud.

Why?

It is a die break or in other words, a piece of die the is missing. This is the first qualification for a Cud. Second qualifier; the missing piece involves the rim and a small area of the interior of the die. With those two conditions being met, it is then a Cud and one that I would list on cuds-on-coins.com

Please contact me if you are willing to share this information bu allowing me to put it on site.

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"IF" (and this is a big IF in that the images do not definitively but strongly suggest) this goes all the way to the rim, it is a Major Die Break or what we all call a Cud. I'd personally have to see better images of the rim or the coin to be 100% sure.
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 Posted 08/24/2015  4:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add PawnS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Why?

It is a die break or in other words, a piece of die the is missing. This is the first qualification for a Cud. Second qualifier; the missing piece involves the rim and a small area of the interior of the die.


Just defining a Cud, doesn't make this a Cud.

I honestly don't see how anyone can say anything definitively with the pictures provided. Just looks like PMD to me, the rim pushed in and down.
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