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Morgan 1900 After Mint Error?

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 Posted 08/24/2015  7:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like a die chip.
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ok, thank you. I will look that up
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No such thing as an error that happened after the mint.
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I could not find anything on this type of error, or whatever it is called.
So I thought I was done after minting.
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in reading what a die chip is, I does not seem this would be one. it is not raised, but pressed into the coin.
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A very interesting coin, which I've been thinking about for a while now. People have been looking hard at Morgan dollars for over half a century, and some five thousand individual varieties (called VAMs) have been identified. The feature of interest shown here is, to the best of my knowledge, unknown on a 1900-P Morgan. A die gouge of this size should have been noted years ago - large as it is, it should have been visible on thousands of coins and it's precisely the kind of feature variety specialists are looking for.

That said, there are still many varieties to be found, and this could still possibly be an unknown die state of a known variety.

The date is both low and slanted by comparison to "normalcy" with Morgans, and these are relevant details for narrowing down the potential varieties. The page for 1900-P varieties at VAMworld (the central repository of VAM information) has too little detail for VAMs with this particular date orientation to attribute this coin, which is frustrating.

Frankly, at this point one can't exclude a counterfeit from the list of possibilities. This is too prominent a gouge to reasonably expect it to have gone unnoticed for this long. A prudent researcher further considers some sort of very odd postmint circummstances leading to the look of a die gouge. The fact that a line exists between the "gouge" and the stroke of the Y in LIBERTY gives me pause.

What makes this important to me as a Morgan variety lover is that, if authenticated, it instantly becomes a variety of great interest to the specialist since it bas escaped detection so long with such a prominent gouge. It bears careful looking.
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wow, ok , what should I do with it . what is the weight on a real coin, I guess I will start there
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Weight on a real one is 26.73 grams, although yours should be a bit light of that from wear. I don't see anything about your coin that clearly indicates it's a counterfeit; if it is, it's a good one.
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I would think this has to be either a strike through or a hub gouge (not a die gouge), a hit would be a possible cause but it doesn't look like a hit.

LIBERTY is incuse on the coin as is this feature. That means it would have to be a RAISED feature on the die. That eliminates the die gouge. A gouge on the hub would create a raised feature on the die, but there would also be many dies created by that hub and the feature seen on this coin would be seen on many, probably a great many, others.

A strikethrough on the other hand would look a lot like this and would be only seen on a few or possibly only one piece.

So unless other pieces are found I'd say it is most likely a strikethrough.
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Oh, great. Now we get to agree with Condor OR SuperDdave?

Gotta go with Condor on this one.
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Strike through would be my guess.
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thank you everyone for the information. I am learning a lot.
it is funny, I have been looking at this coin for years. I would look at
then put it back with the other coins. Then bring it back out and look at it again.
I was never sure if this coin and the other morgan I posted were worth looking at.
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would a struck through mean an object caused the line between the t and y ?
if so that would mean that it was caught before any other coins were damaged?
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If it was struck through an object, most likely the object stayed on the coin in that spot and fell out after it left the dies.
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i have been trying to find something similar to this, but had no luck
I found other coins with poss errors but since I dont know what to call them I
am reluctant to post them.
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