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I recently purchased an aftermarket 1964 Proof Set in a red Capitol holder in an online auction. (Truth be told, I wanted the red holder, more than the coins  ). After receiving them in the mail I gave each of them a good look over while taking them out of the holder and when I got to this half-dollar, it just about slapped me in the face! It's not the FS-104 (Heavily accented hair DDO) variety, because the main PUP (bottom left foot of the I in LIBERTY) is not missing. Also this coins obverse doubling is much more pronounced and has more separation on the motto, than what FS-104 exhibits. I'm pretty sure it's Hub doubling  , and to me, its closest to FS-101, but I'm seeing more than two "notches" on many of the split serifs, especially in TRUST. So... possibly FS-105 (QDO)?  What do you guys think?          Thanks! |
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Looks like a tripled die at least. Maybe quadrupled die. But a real keeper!
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Looks like hub doubling to me with very distinct notching. Nice find - and still waiting to hear what the experts have to say with regard to attribution.
On another note (and just briefly as I'm not wanting to change the subject), those are great closeups. May I ask what your using to take the pictures? I'm trying to decide what I need to buy to take better closeup images of my coins.
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08/28/2015 11:16 pm
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Cool pick up!
Coop: I was thinking triple as well. Then again a lot of doubled dies I've seen on proof coins look like more because of the coin's reflection, no?
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I think we need a better picture of the 4 in order to validate as QDO. That's where it looks the most obvious on those. Try to get the light coming from below the 4.
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08/29/2015 2:56 pm
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Thanks guys! Still anxiously awaiting input from the variety experts on the forum! rayof315 - I use the ProScope MicroMini and my iPad 3. Here's a link to a previous topic I posted about it after I got it. https://goccf.com/t/161553To me, it's the best microscope currently on the market that incorporates the most challenging part of macro coin photography....... the light source. With its ring of fully adjustable LED's that surround the lens, it provides soft white/no glare illumination, even at its highest setting. And being that it's not tethered to a computer via USB cable, like most other comparable products, makes it completely portable and perfect to utilize at your LCS or coin show for cherrypicking unattributed varieties! By doing such, I was able to recoup what I paid for it (and then some) at the very first coin show I attended by finding several RPM's, a DDO and a 1900-O/CC Morgan dollar! So for a serious numismatist that actively pursues unattributed variety and error coins, this product would undoubtedly pay for itself! |
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JDRMCB: Thanks for the info and the link. It is very much appreciated, and I will definitely check it out. You've practically got me sold on it already.  |
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Well I just received my latest PCGS submissions in the mail today.  Would anyone care to take a stab at what variety and grade they attributed this 1964 proof half dollar?  This one, has really left me !   |
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I submitted this coin to PCGS for attribution without mentioning which DDO I suspected it to be and was expecting it to come back attributed a specific variety ( DDO) on the label and this is what they attributed it...   Should I have put DDO-004 in the description line for them to compare to other examples they've already attributed? Did it come back with a generic atribution because I didn't disclose that I believed it to be the DDO-004? Take a look at the areas I've pointed out in the images below as well as the variety listing with description of the 1964 Pr DDO-004 and let me know what you think and how I can go about getting it specifically attributed.     Thanks! |
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There is some MD on WE TRUST on the left hand side of the devices. (you can see these devices showing a pushed upward area on them in the center of the devices)
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@OcalaFlorida- You would think,that for the extra $18 attribution fee I paid them on top of the standard grading/encapsulation fee they would at least take the time to actually attempt to attribute the coin! Unless they didn't think it was one of the 5 Major 1964 PR DDO's they attribute specifically? Either way they could have made a little note on the return invoice informing me on why it wasn't specifically attributed. Here's another submission in the group that kinda rubbed me the wrong way. A 1941-P FSB Merc, that I have personally had in my private collection, for the last 12 yrs. I watched this dime slowly tone over the last decade, while safely stored in my Merc Danso Album and it comes back GENUINE-UNC Details / Questionable Color? C'mon!    Although it was the first time I had submitted a coin for error affribution & didn't understand the whole process (and still don't!), I have been submitting regular coins for years. And even after learning the hard way about what and what not to send in after my first few groups of coins mostly came back in "body bags"(before they offered encapsulation with Genuine Details). I still to this day have at least one coin out of every group I submit singled out and given a Genuine Details grade!  I've come to just accept it like a mandated in-house calculated numbers game, in an effort to keep theIr MS- grade ratios & Registry Set points stablized and control the overall population % #'s! Much like Central Banks manipulate various PM values on a regular basis. And if their actions continue to move the decimal point in the wrong direction on my higher valued submissions, I too, will be be quitting the game and jumping on the same bandwagon! |
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You was robbed!  Resubmit and request TDO! UNC Details? Questionable toning? |
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If I where you I would be making some phone calls to customer service. I mean if you like to throw away money I will gladly take it. What I am saying is you paid for a service and you paid top dollar for a top dollar service you should get what you paid for not some weak attribution or some quest colors reference especially if you didnt ask them to mark toned on it. They sohuld have also givin it a grade. Honestly I am mad for you because I feel this company is taking advantage of people and in all actuallity stealing money. Also why in the world do you have to put what you want the grade to be before you send it in. That is what you are paying them for to accurately grade your coin. I could understand saying hey this is a DDO. please attribute as well. But then they should assign a number or do a little work and add it in as a new one considering you are paying them for their service. I would be on the phone. It is and it isn't like my experience recently with Coneca and James Wiles saying an RPM was to minor to list. 1. I see really minor Rpms listed all the time. Its an RPM most of them are minor. 2 you consider yourself a company or organization that has master listings and yet refuse to list everything you find. That is like a scientist saying the drug is a success but lets not include those side effects because those are only minor? Sorry but these kinds of things really bother me. Edited by tweak800
10/28/2015 8:53 pm
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@Coop
Are you saying that this isn't a double die?
Or it's a double die that exhibits MD as well as hub doubling?
The tripling is obvious not only on the serifs, but also throughout each letter.
Look at the areas I've pointed to in the second pic below the DDO-004 listing, especially the horizontal bars on the E in WE, the area above the leg of the R in TRUST and the lower portion of the U.
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