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Edited by CoinHuntingDrew
09/07/2015 7:38 pm
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The last one was polished to death  AU details |
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the first one you can see little bumps in the field... likely cast. I sure hope the last one is fake because it would kill me if someone polished that coin  |
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I've never seen ANY business strike coin that brilliant and shiny. I can't even imagine how you would go about polishing it that much without leaving scratches or removing metal. It kinda looks like the way we would put liquid mercury on Mercury dimes when I was a kid. My mother left this life never understanding how she could have "lost" so many thermometers  . The Trade dollar counterfeits are a little easier to spot as FAKES. The O-mint Morgan looks "wrong" to my untrained eye and the photos are too "fuzzy" to inspect. Jack |
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I really hate to display my ignorance on this site, but, having said that, I don't recognize the reverse of the 1873 Trade dollar. It's an incredibly beautiful eagle design. I'm looking under Trade dollars (1873 - 1885) in my RedBook, and I don't see that reverse design. 'Sup, Jack |
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The first three links/listings are fairly crude counterfeits. The 1870-P Seated dollar doesn't look counterfeit at first glance IMO. The coin in the last link/listing looks to be heavily polished, not counterfeit. Looking through the sellers other listings it appears that he has a number of heavily polished coins, hopefully he hasn't inherited or been consigned a nice collection and is now trying to "improve" the coins before resale. Edited by Joe2007
09/07/2015 8:33 pm
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Thought that I'd add this here. One of the sellers mentioned by the OP has a very questionable 1916-D Merc. Looks like an altered coin (reverse mintmark added in my opinion). 191684874409 |
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I did a little research and found that the 1873 Trade dollar is a COPY of a pattern coin. As you mentioned, if you carefully read the description he says "this is not a silver Trade dollar and can be marked (?) as a counterfeit." I guess he's attempting to be forthright but, as you point out, by ebay standards, it's not supposed to be listed. I was wondering if the starting price of $75 sounds reasonable. I wish one of the counterfeit experts would weigh in. It sounds crazy to me but I know there are those who pay dearly for certain counterfeits. Is this one of those "special" counterfeits, or is the Seller dreaming? Jack |
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Joe2007 - That mint mark, all snuggled down in the midst of thinly worn nothingness, sure does set off alarms. It looks like it's been placed in with a punch. You can definitely see the circular indentation of the punch that was used surrounding the MM. Of course, there's a little motivation of about $700 difference in the Denver mark versus no mark (Philadelphia). I agree with you - it looks fishy. Jack
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jack316, I'm not an expert on counterfeits and their collectability but the 1873 Trade dollar you reference is a modern counterfeit and is apparently fairly common by the number of times it has shown up on ebay. I don't think it would have any value to a counterfeit collector over a dollar or two. Steve Caruso, a member here, runs a site called the Black Cabinet which is an excellent reference for common fakes. See the sidebar on the right hand side and click on " Trade dollars". http://www.theblackcabinet.org/Edited by Joe2007
09/07/2015 8:56 pm
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Thanks very much, Joe. 'preciate the reference and I will check out The Black Cabinet. Jack
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The 16-D Mercury dime is tooled. There's so many fake 16-D out there, its important most need to be authenticated by TPG, and then you would need to check that both out for its authenticity. Coin collecting is king and is also first in forgeries, besides other hobbies. It is ironic that China and others can produce fake coins and not currencies, or can they? Edited by macmercury
09/08/2015 07:50 am
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First three are gone, I think the 70-P dollar is good. The 71 half is highly polished the severe angle of the pictures makes it impossible to say anything else. I agree I think the 1885 CC dollar is bad as well.
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The 70P is authentic and the 71 is a proof and authentic.
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That means the Seller has discounted the '71 at least $400 and he hasn't had it slabbed. It is a bit unusual to list that many coins that are sooo shiny. Did you happen to notice the Standing Liberty quarter he's selling? He listed it as XF - BEAUTIFUL! Jack |
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