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 Posted 09/14/2015  08:59 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This ebay listing came and went quite quickly over the weekend.

This is very likely a back door job like the various flip struck and double struck 1969 cents, though much less common.

ebay 252088484328.

Quite a bit less expensive than this rather pricy listing: ebay 281787648130.

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 Posted 09/14/2015  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Beware fantasy back yard 'shed jobs' with these.
Have them verified by the Mint first.
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 Posted 09/14/2015  10:06 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If Jon Sullivan is selling it, you can pretty much be guaranteed that it is a legit mint-struck error...

Nice pick up...
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 Posted 09/14/2015  10:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think that the mint here in Canada makes a practice of opining on errors.
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 Posted 09/14/2015  3:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
IMO..the Sullivan one looks totally legit.

Something about the obverse on the other one looks odd.
Its probably just me cause I have never seen one of these in hand.
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 Posted 09/14/2015  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Its probably just me cause I have never seen one of these in hand.


Here are two more...

This one is obverse to obverse: http://www.pcgs.com/cert/29952934

This one is flip struck (obverse to reverse): http://www.pcgs.com/cert/29952935
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 Posted 09/18/2015  6:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It would be interesting to put the ANACS coin next to the PCGS coins.

This is obviously a very unusual sort of thing to grade. But in my somewhat unreliable opinion, in hand this to me looks more like MS64 or maybe even MS65 versus the MS62 on the holder. I think almost all the marks on the coin are a result of the double striking as opposed to "circulation" marks.

BTW, ANACS holders really are awful. The edge of the coin is completely covered.
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 Posted 09/18/2015  11:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Suddenly a flood!!

But not cheap. And the MS64 looks not so good. Definitely not as nice as the ANACS MS62.....at less than 10% of the ask!

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 Posted 09/19/2015  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are many of these 1969 cent on dime, I have one in a pcgs slab for about 500.00 a few years ago. Some are created better than other with clearer dates, but still a cool coin in hand.
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 Posted 09/19/2015  12:53 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Smallcentguy, I believe those are the two that sold at the 2014 Stacks & Bowers ANA auction:

http://www.stacksbowers.com/archive...results.aspx

http://www.stacksbowers.com/archive...results.aspx

I remember watching those, because since I have both of those coin types (reverse/reverse and reverse/obverse). The prices obtained in that auction were even stronger than I thought they were worth. All I have ever seen are mint state, so a MS-65 should be worth no more than CAN$1200. Aside from your ANAC slabbed coins, Jon Sullivan had two more for sale in NGC holders earlier this year, I bought one of them in an MS-67 holder (for much less than both Stacks & Bowers pieces), and hope it will cross with PCGS (thus, putting my MS-65 up for sale).
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 Posted 09/19/2015  12:55 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In case the links above don't work, I took a screen capture from the Stacks & Bowers auction archives. Prices are in US dollars, including the hammer fee.

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 Posted 09/19/2015  07:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add darryldarryl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info SPP.
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 Posted 09/19/2015  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alexer to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm really liken these..the more I study them.
Thanks for the links SPP and Smallcentguy
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Very nice catch. Would have loved to have added that one :)...

My 1979 is not really for sale...seems to be much rarer than the 1969 double denominations :)

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 Posted 09/20/2015  6:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Smallcentguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, CV, I think you are right. As you know 1969 was full of monkey business at the mint. So I doubt any of these 1969 coins was an accident.

Given the number of clips, off strikes, ten cent planchets, foreign planchets etc., 1979-1980-1981 appears to have been full of shoddy workmanship at the 1 cent machine. Yours was perhaps a more special version of one of these honest errors.
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 Posted 09/21/2015  11:52 am  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yours is not the only 1979 I have seen CV... I know of at least three more, and there are a handful of other "errors" from 1979 which can only be attributed to "suspect shenanigans" at the RCM in Winnipeg... (my 1979 chain struck triplet, for example).
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