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I bought this 1942-P Washington quarter because I liked the look of it. It was a last second decision to buy it and combine the shipping with two other listings. Well when the coin got here it didn't match up with the main pics. I told the seller that the coin wasn't the same but he argued that it is. I looked again and noticed that the third pic was actually the coin I got. I said I see what you did there, it's kind of a bait and switch. He insists that all three pics are the same coin. I will let you guys decide and abide by your decision...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1942-P-90-S...p=true&rt=nc
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 Posted 10/09/2015  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pic one is not the same as pic three,IMHO.
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 Posted 10/09/2015  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AES to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Number one and three definitely look different. There's even a blemish at 2:00 on the flip in number one that isn't there on number three.
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 Posted 10/09/2015  11:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bob Levi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree too. may be The angel but The third pic looks like the chin took a hit. Also there is a small mark on the flip of the 2 in the date that isn't in the other pic.
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 Posted 10/09/2015  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not the same, but why does it matter. They both look the same grade and about the same eye appeal. Maybe the seller mixed up his pictures because they are so similar?
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 Posted 10/09/2015  12:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add shadz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1 & 2 may be of the same coin, but 3 is neither of those. aside from the spec on the flip, the excess cardboard in the hole in pic 3 at the top and bottom is not present inside the coin hole in either of the other 2 images. You would be able to see it still in the cropper portion of image 1 above George and in image 2 below the Eagle. Also the obverses of the actual coin in 1 & 3 are different. looking under the R in LIBERTY and lining up with the separation in Washingtons wig curls there is a dimple of sorts in image 1, not present in image 3. Image one also has a gouge just West of George's nose that is not present in image 3. Now the coins have also moved inside the flip between 1 & 2, and 3. that MIGHT explain not seeing the marks on the coin so easily and it would show on the flip, but those shaped marks are not present on the flip in image 3.

Image 3 also show signs under George of rim damage. 2 dots off of George's pigtail that are nowhere to be found in image 1.

the images are at least 2 different coins, and probably 3. If not why so many differences?

I think the reverse is there in the middle to throw you off from the two obverse images so you didn't notice they were of different coins. Probably why the 1st image is cropped because that coin doesn't have the #40 on its flip which would be a dead giveaway they were more than one coin.

But you should double check all that with a better pair of eye than I have.

Either way, it looks a lot better for all 3 pictures than the 1951 I got in change. I couldn't tell if any of the pics grade is any different than the others. If you are really upset and do this it was a switcheroo you have to decide what action to take against the seller either through feedback, or ebay fraud protection, or something else. I would say either was respectable for the price. Something like this ebay could just call it Caveat Emptor.

*Note: It could have been an honest mistake. I labeled dimes once as Silver Kennedy Dimes in a typing rush but at least put them WYSIWYG with the photo and even had the ebay item number written on the wrapper in the image.

good luck either way.
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The angle of the third pic hides severe scratches is why I'm upset. I asked him to simply refund the difference between what I paid and melt value as I do have silver value. He became indignant and insists they're the same coin. Clearly you can see they aren't.

*got the refund*
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 Posted 10/09/2015  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Indeed. Great saga.
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How much could the refund possibly have been. Was it worth the time and effort? Not trying to be mean but it seems like just a block the seller event and move on.

With that said, if they are different, he used a coin with a stain/toning spot in the same place (to the left of the date) to further the "same coin" argument. So, IF they are different he premeditated it as an argument for same coin if he was caught. Did he use this stain/toning location in his email argument with you?
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Third coin has two hits on rim by ribbon. Not the same coin.
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 Posted 10/09/2015  6:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cwb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not the same coin in all photos.
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Listing says "Returns Accepted", not "Returns Accepted if I Feel Like It". What else needs to be said?
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Cascade when I buy a coin I expect to get the coin I bought, plain and simple. It's the principle of the thing. I don't care what I paid for it. It didn't matter how many points of identification I showed him he insisted it was the same. Clearly not.

He wasn't willing to pay for return postage so if I had returned it I would've been out that too and no coin.
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Ya I suppose you're right ray. In this particular situation I guess it couldn't have gone any other way because if I noticed it wasn't the same coin I would have message the seller just to ask what's up and if he dug in I would then bring a backhoe to the fight no matter the $ involved. My previous statement was made in haste before thinking it through. I can admit when I'm wrong
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