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Technically yes because It's not canadian currency really . It's newfoundland. And as long as you don't try to sell them to people. I see no problem in having them as examples of what to look for and stuff like that. Or decoration.
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10/09/2015 7:55 pm
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Technically yes because It's not canadian currency really . It's newfoundland. Wrong. It is still considered legal currency in Canada. Quote:
And as long as you don't try to sell them to people. I see no problem in having them as examples of what to look for and stuff like that. Or decoration. Wrong again. It is very much illegal to possess counterfeit currency (numismatic or contemporary) within Canada. We have been fighting for almost a decade to stop the inflow of Canadian/Newfoundland counterfeit/reproduction coins into Canada. I hate seeing stuff like this...  "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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I thought so !!
and am glad I asked
should I try and
cancel ? the purchase ?
I wouldn`t mind passing
them on for forensics and such
just wish knowing the legalities
thanks in advance
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Those are the well-documented versions from China, that Mike Marshall described. It is somewhat of a sad catch-22, if you don't buy them, the seller will relist them and try to sell them again. If you buy them, you create the demand that drives this process in the first place... I would cancel the purchase, and inform the seller that those coins are illegal to sell. Maybe contact ebay as well. The RCMP sent ebay a letter ordering them to stop selling such counterfeits a few years ago... "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Well maybe people can't afford the real deal and want to have cool replica piece in there collection for looks. I don't see why you have to be a buzzkill. That's like saying play money at the Dollar store is illegal because it creates demand for more play money. Any person could tell these were fake.
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SPP isn't being a buzzkill... its is illegal to have counterfeit currency. Please refrain giving advice on things you don't necessarily know, leave that for the experts.
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10/09/2015 9:03 pm
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Any person could tell these were fake. Really? A good number of people (including some dealers) were fooled by these made-in-China fakes, before Mike Marshall stepped in and spent a good number of years fighting to get them off ebay... tumble these down to F grade and artificially tone them, and you could fool a good number of novice collectors. "Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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That's why most famous branded companies spend a good portion of their revenues protecting their copyrights and patents with the exception of the RCM. Fakes will either cheapen or destroy your brand |
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this was my error
no one else`s
I've asked for the
purchase tobe cancelled
we shall see how it
turns out
if they get to Canada
i`ll turn them in too the
authorites
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Dirt detector: There are many that may not be able to tell if they're fakes or not. I personally know I have told family members before that I am looking for a specific coin and that it would make a great gift... although I tell them where the could go to get it. (my local and very trusted LCS) But what if someone you loved decided to get you a coin that was on your "wish list"... let's say it's your birthday.. how would you feel opening a gift... seeing it's a coin.. then the terror.. you realize it's a fake! A member of your own family has gone out and paid good money and full value for a coin that isn't worth anything.... how would you feel? This is only one of possibly many different scenarios where an unknowing or perhaps an uneducated person may buy a fake. Is it their fault? Should that person who isn't even a collector have read up on the fakes and how to detect one? Think of all the flee markets there must be from coast to coast. Small little shops or tables that are set up on the weekends. Somewhere out there may be a less than honest individual hoping to sell a few of these to increase his/her own profits. And perhaps even a novice or inexperienced collector buys one. There is absolutely no good reason for fakes to be on the market. At some point someone will get burnt with it being out in the market. Torgemco could do everything right, but accidents happen and if those coins make it out onto the market eventually someone will get burned with 'em. The best thing you can do is put a huge counter stamp in 'em even prior to turning them over just to make sure they don't find their way into a police auction or out the back door of the police station when you turn them in. I looked at the ebay listing and the first thing that came to my head when I saw that 50 cent piece was "off" it just looked too new yet not right. While I would love to have these in hand (I don't think I've ever seen any fakes yet) and I would love to compare them to Mikes photos and DVD... I also can't bring myself to even look for fakes/replicas on ebay as in some way shape or form you're supporting the counterfeit trade. |
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Thanks for posting, guys. I would never have guessed there are Newfoundland fakes out there!
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Ummmm..... Whatever. I don't usually ask for specific items like that because of counterfeiting and replicas, coins, antiques, autographs. Just be smart out there with what you buy. Trust no-one. And a coin will always be fake unless YOU prove otherwise. And you can quote that. I feel bad for you guys who are butt hurt because somebody screwed you or your family member, well guess what, you just learned a valuable lesson. Wether it sucks or not. So stop your whining and get on with life. Because one person buying fake coins isn't going to do jack crap. And you know why? Because people who are professional scam artists create the supply and demand for these. Not the consumer level. Especially with these Newfoundland coins. So just get on with your life and deal with it. Because nothings perfect and you should do coin buying yourself. Never ask for coins as gifts unless its from mint websites. And if people want to buy these fakes, so be it. And don't turn it in to the authorities. Overseas counterfeiting isn't really our problem do deal with. And the RCMP isn't going to create joint ops with whatever country these are coming from to bust them. Just keep em and put them on a chain for a point of reference. And to all have a good day. Quote:
True glory takes root, and even spreads; all false pretenses like flowers, fall to the ground; nor can any counterfeit last long.
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@Dirt, your new so i'll give you a little slack but you need to really learn to respect other members, especially the ones that are very well known in the community like SPP. Its not about learning lesson or getting burned, it is illegal to possess an counterfeit coinage so please stop telling them to keep them. Leave these types of issues for the experts and maybe do a little more reading on these subjects before commenting on them.
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The seller would also be violating US law under the Hobby Protection Act. Quote:
The manufacture in the United States, or the importation into the United States, for introduction into or distribution in commerce, or the sale in commerce of any imitation numismatic item which is not plainly and permanently marked "copy", is unlawful and is an unfair or deceptive act or practice in commerce under the Federal Trade Commission Act [15 U.S.C. 41 et seq.]. And if you just brought them in via an ebay purchase, technically they could be confiscated. Quote:
Any item imported into the United States in violation of section 2101(a) or (b) of this title or regulations under section 2101(c) of this title shall be subject to seizure and forfeiture under the customs laws. |
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