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 Posted 01/17/2008  9:05 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SteveG to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Good evening,
I'm looking for some input on care/storage of large cents. I became interested in large cents a few months back. Until then, only Silver struck my fancy.

I got a hold of a very old VHS tape from the ANA library. It's an old "beginners" class on large cents. In it, the speaker was saying large cents should be cleaned with Acetone. They also needed to be stored in individual cotton sacks, and that they should be dry brushed twice a year.

I'm not a coin expert, but I'm not a rookie either. There is no way I'm going to clean my copper with acetone, or start brushing them without more input.

What's the skinny on that? What are you copper enthusiasts doing? I store them in a classic Whitman slide album. I'm careful about the slides. I just like the presentation.

I have "Penny Whimsy" and the Newcomb book is on the way. What are some other good referances?

Thanks!
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if they have a bunch of dirt on them, clean with nail polish remover (acetone), rinse with distilled water, and pat dry with a clean cotton cloth or swab. dont brush them. store them in a cool and dry place.

any inactive ingredients dissolved in nail polish remover will also dissolve in water, therefore rinsing the coin afterward will remove unwanted compounds on the coin's surface. the ingredients in the nail polish remover will not damage the coin unless combined with a reactive chemical or enough heat is used to decompose them and oxidize the metal, so do not light coin on fire, simple. I forgot to mention, distilled water is important. trace compounds in tap water can cause the copper to react with the oxygen in the air over time. all copper coins will oxidize evdentually unless you keep them in a sealed vacuum or an inert gas like argon. heat, moisture, and a variety of compounds speed up the process so storing in a cool dry place will protect the coins from damage.
better?
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01/18/2008 5:24 pm
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I have heard that nail polish remover shouldn't be used (never tried - just was told) because other chemicals in the remover can damage coins. I was told only 100% acetone should be used.

However if your coins look good and don't need a clean - why even use acetone?
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I have heard that nail polish remover shouldn't be used (never tried - just was told) because other chemicals in the remover can damage coins. I was told only 100% acetone should be used.

Yes. if you use acetone, you would buy the straight stuff from the paint section of the hardware store.

I wasn't planning on cleaning my coins. But when I heard what I did on the tape, I wanted to ask. I seem to recall reading *somewhere* that acetone discolors copper(?)
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I love the large cents too, but I couldnt imagine using any chemical to clean them. I would leave them as is, but it's up to you.
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Acetone will not "clean" a coin in the sense that it is normally thought about. Cleaning is generally thought of as being a bad thing and damaging to coins. Acetone is an organic solvent that will only remove organic material and will not alter or react with the metal surface.

Acetone itself will not discolor copper but an old method of protecting copper coins was to apply lacquer to them. Acetone will remove the lacquer but the lacquer itself may have already reacted with the copper causing a discoloration that is only revealed once removed.
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I had one highly worn and very dirty Large cent I tried some "coin care" on. The coin ended up looking a little better. Nothing major though. But it left it with that weird sheen. I didn't care for that.

Anyway, I almost never clean a coin. And I'm not going to start cleaning my cents, I like them as-is.

Just trying to learn more about old copper.
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What's the date on the VHS tape? There have been different views on how to care for coins over the years. At one time brushing, wiping with a cloth, or even polishing coins was acceptable. I guess there are some things that can, or even should be done if the coin is heavily corroded, but I don't clean mine.
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if they have a bunch of dirt on them, clean with nail polish remover (acetone), rinse with water, \ and pat dry with cotton. dont brush them. store them in a cool and dry place.

Now that statement was even more silly than some of the others. Brushing a coin periodically is silly enough but using nail polish remover, rinse with water is even more funny.
Don't know how many times this comes up but sure wish there was a sticky type item discussing Acetone here somewhere.
Nail Polish Remover contains numerous other ingrediants including perfumes. Rinse with ordinary water may contain Fluorine, Chlorine, Iron, Sodium Chloride, etc., etc., Pat dry with cotton. Cotton what? How about a Cotton shirt after it's been worn by a sweaty person?
DO NO CLEAN COINS. Especially if you do not have any idea of what your doing.
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Brushing with a fine camel hair brush was considered the norm for caring for copper years ago and I imagine some old timers still do it today.

http://www.pcgs.com/articles/article2341.chtml

If green corrosion appears on the surface of a copper coin, remove it mechanically, if possible, usually with a soft camel-hair brush. Copper aficionados sometimes have brushes they have used for decades, carefully protecting them. These "used" brushes have oils from years of use and their owners swear that these "protect" the surfaces of copper coins brushed by them. There is truth to this, as many coins brushed appear unchanged after many years. These, however, should only be used by knowledgeable copper experts, because even the fine camel hair can damage surfaces. Only when this method has been tried and failed should one attempt to remove something chemically from the surface of a copper coin.
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"What's the date on the VHS tape?"

1990. The speaker was Dennis Loring. I just watched it again. He said all old copper needs to be coated with "care" (is that the same as "coin care" that is still sold?) And that the coins should be brushed lightly with a Goat hair brush every 6 months. He recommended ivory soap, water, and a toothbrush for stubbornly dirty coins.

Apparently, he was a founder of the EAC club.
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quote:
any inactive ingredients dissolved in nail polish remover will also dissolve in water, therefore rinsing the coin afterward will remove unwanted compounds on the coin's surface. the ingredients in the nail polish remover will not damage the coin unless combined with a reactive chemical or enough heat is used to decompose them and oxidize the metal


Not true at all. What dissolves in acetone will not necessarily dissolve in water and vise versa. Back to Chemistry 101

There are two kinds of solvents- polar and non-polar. I won't get into the specific differences because it involves terms such as "dipole moment" and "dielectric constant" and the chemistry explanation of that would be incredibly confusing to non-scientists not to mention very lengthy so I will go with the simple explanation.

Water is a highly polar solvent and will readily dissolve polar compounds like inorganic salts. Non-polar solvents such as hexane or benzene will dissolve other non-polar compounds, mainly hydrocarbons. Acetone is a weakly polar solvent meaning that it is miscible(able to mix) with water but it cannot dissolve compounds that are strongly polar. As an example, try dissolving table salt(sodium chloride) in acetone- you won't be able to do it. Since acetone is only weakly polar, it is a decent solvent to dissolve some weakly non polar compounds. It won't work with all hydrocarbons but it will work on many substances that can be found on coins and it is relatively harmless compared to other organic solvents. Water will not dissolve hydrocarbon compounds that acetone can dissolve. The old adage "oil and water don't mix" is a key phrase that comes to mind and applies here.

Nail polish removers do not provide a full list of ingredients due to trade secrets and the like. Usually general descriptions are the norm, i.e. dyes, fragrances, etc.- they just don't tell you exactly what they are though. Many of those compounds could be weakly polar or non polar and they would not be miscible with water so a water rinse would do nothing to remove them.
Another fly in the ointment so to speak is the fact that many nail polish removers do not even contain acetone anymore- the main ingredient is MEK(methyl ethyl ketone aka butanone).

As a trained chemist, I absolutely hate to see misinformation and bad advice such as this. Do not take my post as a slam because it is not, it is strictly educational. Just be aware that you should not be applying substances to a coin if you have no comprehension of the chemistry behind it.
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01/18/2008 6:21 pm
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Bio -

Spoken like a true chemist.

Now mix me up a magic potion that turns all coins back to mint state condition

Speaking of chemistry, what's your opinion on my AT'd Lincoln ?

https://goccf.com/t/24246

Any suggestion on improving that dark tone ?
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01/18/2008 6:47 pm
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biokem,
i did not know there were exceptions where a polar solvent can dissolve a nonpolar substance.
so... acetone will dissolve some weakly non-polar chemicals because its polarity is not enough to repel a nonpolar, but a highly polar chemical like water will not dissolve nearly any nonpolar? is that right?
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