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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I finally found some 2x2 that are 33mm in the plastic window from my Canadian Trade dollars. I was having to use the large dollar 2x2's and they just look tacky because of all the extra space in the window around the coin. The ones I found are PCCB, Professional Collecting Supplies. Unfortunately, I noticed they also have some Chinese writing that is on box they came in. They are pretty clean as far as dust goes, but I was wondering if anyone has any experience as to how safe they are for coins? *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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/bump
also wondering the quality / storage safety of their slabs
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Valued Member
Taiwan
192 Posts |
First, sorry to necro this thread... But I got a good reason: I just got some PCCB 2x2's. I'm migrating coins in my albums (that I suspect contain PVC) to 2x2's, so I got these. PCCB seems to be more reliable than other brands that are available in my country (other is Chinese brand with red box -- cheaper than PCCB, the other is even cheaper and has no box/brand!). First shipment arrived yesterday, this seller has the size not available from the second seller:  Second shipment from the second seller arrived today. He is the cheapest seller for PCCB 2x2's with just $1.1 per box of 50 (most sellers are close to $2 per box).  These 2x2's have cardboards that are decent in thickness and rigidity. The folding marks are all easy to fold. Even the outer parts sometimes are not perfectly aligned, the circle cutouts are always perfectly aligned. I'm okay with trusting all my coins in these 2x2's, even though the most expensive coin I have is just a bit above $30. I imagine if I have coins up to around $100 worth I'll still trust these 2x2's. I hope these information can help 
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Moderator
 United States
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Thank you for sharing. 
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Valued Member
Taiwan
192 Posts |
I'm not alone! Great! 
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Valued Member
Canada
324 Posts |
i love the lighthouse self-adhesive flips but I must say I've never tried the PCCB brand.
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Valued Member
United States
303 Posts |
I bought some holders recently and when they arrived it was the PCCB brand. I am not sure of the quality. The plastic feels like the ones that I have seen that causes the PVC residue on the coins. The mylar ones have a louder crunch to it.
Any other reviews for these holders after using these for several years?
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I have been using these for a few years now and I haven't noticed any problems with coins. One thing that did concern me though, is sometimes the clear window feels more like rubber than mylar. Steve 
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Valued Member
United States
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Thanks for letting me know Steve.
Yeah the plastic feels softer than the other 2x2 cardboard flips I have. I think PVC or something is added to the plastic to make it flexible. I bought a bunch of BCW plastic 2x2 flips a few years back. The packaging on those said no PVC, but on the newer packaging they removed the statement and I noticed the coins has left some translucent etching mark to the flips. I realized it was the green sticky stuff starting to form.
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Moderator
 Australia
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Quote: Yeah the plastic feels softer than the other 2x2 cardboard flips I have. I think PVC or something is added to the plastic to make it flexible. Pure PVC, by itself, is mostly harmless to coins. It is also not entirely transparent, and quite hard and brittle. Not very useful for making coin holders out of, but it is awfully cheap to produce, which is why people keep using it if they can get away with it. To make it transparent and flexible enough for use in coin holders, they have to add extra chemicals - plasticizers - to the PVC. It is those plasticizers, not the PVC itself, which leaches out over time, becomes acidic, and attacks the coins. Plasticizers can be added to plastics other than PVC, of course. So a company can make "PVC-free" coin holders that are still chock-full of plasticizer, and therefore still quite damaging to coins in the medium and long term. As a general rule, if the plastic feels too "stretchy", then it's probably plasticized and therefore suspect. The problem with buying items like this from China is not that they're all low quality, it's that the quality is unpredictably inconsistent. Because the company doing the exporting to Western customers is often itself relying on different manufacturers and sources from within China, all of different quality. So you can buy two boxes from the same supplier on the same day, they look the same but they were made at different times and in different places. The first box might be fine, lulling you into a false sense of security, then the second box is a wrong'un.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Moderator
 Australia
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If you're prepared to sacrifice one of your holders and you have some chemistry skills (or your kid's chemistry set sitting around), there's a simple, not-too-dangerous test you can do on a sample of the plastic film: the Beilstein Test. If it comes back green (positive), then there be chlorine in your plastic, and it's either made of PVC or has a chlorine-containing plasticizer added to it.
Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Valued Member
United States
303 Posts |
Thank you for the explanation on PVC and plasticizers. The test is not easy to do so far, because the need for a bunsen burner. I may be able to access one at work, but it is shutdown right now.
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Valued Member
United States
303 Posts |
Also, I pulled out some of the plastic from older cardboard 2x2s, and stretched out a piece from the window only.
The ones I think sounds much crunchy and felt it was the "good" plastic, when stretched and when snapped, was more rigid. It left the stretched shape in place with a more defining crunch sound now.
The ones I thought felt less crunchy (and did leave residue on the coins), stretched and snapped, still felt soft. The plastic still has a stretched look to it, but was not as rigid as the other one and it sounds about the same.
I sacrificed a new PCCB 40mm one (more plastic to make it easier to grab) and stretched one out and it still felt soft. I will save the plastic and see if I can do a burn test later.
Edited by hc8604 03/25/2020 10:50 am
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