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Red Book Pricing - How Accurate (Or Not)

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Over here in the UK, I find my Red Book invaluable when browsing ebay.

Now I know that their pricing is said to be optimistic but I'm not sure by how much. Do you find that RB prices are say 10%, 20% higher or whatever, as a rule, or does it vary from coin to coin?

I find that I tend to use it to learn which years and/or mintmarks are more valuable compared to others, rather than prices.
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I believe Red Book values are for graded & slabbed coins. That is why you'll see modern cents valued at $0.30+ in MS-65.
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Red Book prices are high retail and are usually outdated by the time you get it.
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Red Book prices are nothing more than "ball park" estimates. It should't be used as a buying price guide.
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As these publications tend to give prices for slabbed coins, many people sell with those prices for raw coins which would be the least expensive I would think.
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It's a ballpark of high retail. These values can be outdated by the time the book is in your hands. Variances can happen quickly for coins tied to bullion prices and for rarer / less demanded coins where the commodity price is less relevant than present day supply and demand.
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I don't use any books for pricing for that very reason.
When looking at ebay-- I use the "sold" search to get an idea of what things have sold for recently for both buy it now and at auction and use that as a very loose guide for an idea of what is a good buy on ebay.
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I use completed auctions combined with NumisMedia (retail). With those as a guide, I also factor in eye appeal. I will pay more for a coin that "just looks right," compared to one in similar grade.

Ultimately, the value of any coin is what one person is willing to give and the other is willing to accept at that particular moment in time.
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Hammered Auctions, Numismedia, Grey sheet.

Red Book should be used as a guide and reference. Reflects high retail prices.
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Hmmm I was wondering this question for some time. But here is the thing--- If (U the seller) are selling a coin --u want the most out of it-correct?. OK so now lets make you are the buyer---- coin is with a price tag. Now,Ill look at the most stable reference -the RED and come to a fair conclusion with the salesman on what the book says. One note* The book has many fine print and symbols as for to look out for types, varieties and many other tips.
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I like Auction prices for some things, but even those have exceptions. You wouldn't call this a useful guideline, yet it opened for $1, and the bidding shows several people were interested.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/14181067328...RK:MEBIDX:IT

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It's a ballpark of high retail.


Not always! I've seen some really low prices too. For example, the 1936 proof Lincoln was REALLY low last time I looked (prob 2009). In reality, they were selling between $600-1000 when Red Book showed like $100.
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A sale can blow away---if coin looks super amazing than the average. Rainbow toning on morgans are fetching 100 times over there normal prices*. And this is the latest trend. I would be checking the Morgan's at the Baltimore Whitman coin show--hell yeh -I may flip a Million !
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I believe Red Book values are for graded & slabbed coins. That is why you'll see modern cents valued at $0.30+ in MS-65.

Where can you get a graded slabbed modern cent for thirty cents? No that if for a raw coin and the thirty cets is what I call the "dealer nuisance" fee. What he has to charge just to cover the overhead of dealing with an item of no real numismatic value.
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OK, I guess you've got a point.
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As to prices in the Red Book, here is what I do. I use a 2010 Edition for prices. Actually this may not be the smartest thing to do but I find a 4 to 6 year old version is fairly accurate for today's market.
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