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There is a story to go along with this coin. I'll tell it after everyone weighs in.   |
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Date position is wrong. Maybe a former '98-S?
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When I look at this coin, I would have to question the authenticity as the date is slightly off and the 3 does not appear to be raised. There is a rim ding below the 9 that could be creating the 3 to appear not raised. Inspection of the liberty area die marking of the 93S would be needed to confirm authenticity.
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The OP coin is a fake. The loops in the 3 in the OP coin are about the same size. A genuine coin has the upper loop smaller than the larger lower loop as shown in the third photo below taken from a genuine coin. Dave, I can certainly see your point that the 3 may be a converted 8. I have added a photo a the 1898 S that has the date position much like the OP coin. I did notice that some of the numerals and date position did change on the 1898 s depending on the VAM. The one I selected was a VAM 15.    Edited by Slider23
11/03/2015 11:01 pm
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Sorry for my short response earlier, I believe this to be a converted 8 because of the equal sections top and bottom on the 3. A real 3 has a larger section bottom than top.
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Your coin appears to be an altered 1898-S.
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The center spike in the "3" is too sharp to be an altered 1898 S.
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Funny this should be posted -- I just got my latest Numismatist today and they ran a feature on the very same issue (1898 altered to 1893) along with highlighting the position of the 1 relative to the denticle below it & the die scratches in R and T of LIBERTY.
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"the center spike in the 3 is too sharp to be an altered 1898-S" What in heavens name do you mean by that? It's an altered coin. The center spike by being sharp or thin is a good indicator of a counterfeit as the center of the 8 bar is thin on the coin in question.. The 3 in a true 93S has a blunt center/middle bar. The shape of the 3 is not correct. The 1 should be directly over the denticle or dang close depending on die wear which it isn't. And the 3 should also be a bit higher from the rim than the 1 which on the coin in question it isn't enough the way I see it..
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11/03/2015 10:09 pm
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After reading the rest of these posts, I agree that it's altered.
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With all of the talk about too many counterfeits being posted, I wanted to say thanks for posting this, a detail discussion about WHAT is wrong with the coin is educational to me.
Please keep posting this kind of information.
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It is an altered date coin. I pulled it out of my "black cabinet" after seeing the article in the Numismatist. I was hoping it would pass by some of the eagle eyed members here and show just how easy it is to pass off an altered coin. It got by one person before the experts caught it. The sad part is I could easily put this up on ebay and make a nice profit because most people just don't pay attention to the little details. I've looked at the coin many times under different magnification and I believe it started out as a nice high grade coin. Once they cut the 8 to a 3 they artificially aged the coin because there is barely anything visible from the tooling. Pre internet age this coin probably was bought and sold multiple times. |
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Davec13,
Could you post a close up photo of the altered 8?
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Posted 11/03/2015 08:50 am
