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Valued Member
Spain
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The seller looks more than reputable, along with their 14 day return you should be fine, take it to a dealer when you get it if you're worried.
Can you explain more about the 'chop marks', I can see what they are but what's the history there?
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Canada
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I feel like I've seen that one or one like up up for auction in the not too distant past. May have been in a post or I just stumbled on it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I like the swastika (but not Nazi-related) to the SE of the middle. It is a Chinese good-luck symbol adapted from Indian cultures in the first few centuries AD.
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He calls it 'great detail' but the photos are poor and the date is scarcely visible? Chopmarked coins of this series are not that scarce. Unless you are especially enamored of the marks on this one, I'd wait for a nicer example. Or make a low to middling offer.
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I would hold out for a much nicer host coin. Unless there are some specific chops that this coin has, you can find a much higher grade host coin with interesting chops for less than the minimum bid on this coin. PM me for more details if interested.
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Because these have been, and continue to be, counterfeited in great quantities, it's not really possible to determine if it's genuine from just photos of the obverse and reverse. You need an accurate weight and need to examine the edge carefully (a determination of specific gravity would be warranted on an example of any significant value).
The chopmarks would have been stamped on the coin by South Asian, primarily Chinese, money changers to certify that they had examined the coin and vouched for its silver content. The Chinese market was closed to outsiders until the Opium Wars of the mid-nineteenth century. Prior to that, the only import that was routinely accepted was silver and the preferred specie was the Spanish 8 reales. Several Western nations covertly issued unoffical restrikes of 8 reales in order to get the most value for their silver -- these are some of the hardest to distinguish from genuine issues.
I don't think the average dealer has the expertise to judge the authenticity with any great authority. Bob Gurney, who posts here as swamperbob, has written a book about these counterfeits called "The Un-real Reales". I highly recommend it for anyone interested in collecting portrait 8 reales of the Spanish Empire.
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Quote: Can you explain more about the 'chop marks', I can see what they are but what's the history there? Chop marks appear on coins that circulated in China, usually silver and especially Spanish Colonial 8 Reales and US Trade dollars that were minted for use for international trade. The chopmark was placed by a merchant as a way to validate the coin. It is seen regularly on 18th and 19th century silver dollars that had trade coming on with China. I've seen a few Seated Libery Halfs with them. Morgans seem to be rare. Some collectors think they are damage, but a lot of collectors appreciate the history of the coin and there is a solid community of collectors that seek them out. There is enough demand for silver dollars with chop marks that they don't really hurt the value of a coin, some sellers might contend it makes it easier to sell because of the additional history in the coin.
Edited by Collects82 11/04/2015 12:01 pm
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It's also worth noting that chop marks are still used to an extent. US $50 and $100 that leave the country in foreign commerce very frequently come back covered in little stamps.
But as for the coin in question, I do agree that you could perhaps do a little better for your money.
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Valued Member
Spain
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Collects82, brilliant description and answered my question in it's entirety, many thanks! A great bit of history, I'd never heard of it before. It'll make for some light reading tonight 
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