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 Posted 11/06/2015  12:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have been very distracted for the past six months 'scoring' tetrarchy folles. So much so I have an actual surplus now !

But I decided to do something I haven't done since Spring.
I went shopping in the land of sauerbraten !
And there she was ....... Something I have wanted for nearly 40 years at a price that didn't break me.
I once had the opportunity to get a gem in the as denomination (Titus) but balked at the $1,100 price tag. I have always regretted that decision.
But that's the way it goes in the coin 'game'.

So there it was .......
Offered at auction by that famous purveyor of numismatica whose name begins in L and ends in Z.
Normally the prices go well beyond my comfort zone but somehow I had the will to stretch and snagged it for less than I thought would be necessary.

The sellers pics were 'good' but I felt perhaps they were not that good. So when the package arrived yesterday I first did penance by preparing supper (peeling potato's) and cleaning up the dishes ! I then put on one of my favorite music videos with some extra volume for dramatic effect ........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ra6B5evR2o


The pics indeed did not do justice to this emerald beauty

Seller pics

Sehr-Schön

Sehr-Schön

Slate grey with an attractive patination


This is what I found when I opened my package

Sehr-Schön

Sehr-Schön

Emerald green with a fanatasic patination. Not only that but much of the detail simply did not show in the sellers pics. The pile of weapons behind the captive are easily seen yet are missing in the original pic.

I am quite satisfied and after a quick look about Vcoins I think it compares favorably with ones I see selling for almost triple ! Now that is a nice feeling.

The reverse at first glance seems quite worn. And worn it is ..... But I am thinking that that big melon head of Vespasian took quite a bit of muscle to get the orichalcum to flow. I believe half the "wear" on the reverse is from a weak strike and based on the details visible the coin rates a grade for which only the original German from the listing adequately describes

"Sehr Schön"

Sehr-Schön

BTW
If you watch the video (Pink Floyd performed by Orchestre Philharmonique de Radio France with Ron Geesin) at the end it is clear that half the chorus appears to be "with child"
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 Posted 11/06/2015  1:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats on scoring an excellent example of a hard to find type. Even with the wear it's a super coin.
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 Posted 11/06/2015  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add imperator to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice coin
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 Posted 11/06/2015  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GERMANICVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Are you sure that is the same coin?
Seriously, seems much better in hand so definitely a nice purchase and a historic coin. Congratulations.

L.z is by and large a reliable seller. Had to return an aureus I bought from the once many years ago as the coin was bent, and that was not mentioned in the description. But other purchases have been good and would buy from the again.

Yes, definitely sehr schön.
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I like it!
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 Posted 11/06/2015  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mascot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FVRIVS RVFVS really nice coin ! What have you used to make that photo ?
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 Posted 11/06/2015  6:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Believe it or not Mascot I have a floor lamp with 4 incandescent bulbs (multidirectional lighting) with a pair of black Levis draped over a small table.
The Nikon camera (D3000) is key of course ! I got that used on ebay (10 meg) for not too much money.
I do it hand held as with many ancients a tiny shift in angle can change the image completely !
Fixed on a tripod makes it difficult to make minor adjustments.
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 Posted 11/06/2015  6:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I have only made two purchases from this well known dealer.
Several years ago during a pre Christmas season I bought a Balbinus sestertius !
Guess what ...... It also was charcoal grey in the photo. When it arrived I almost cried when I saw the green patina.
They really should adjust the color spectrum before they list ! Then again ........ let's just thank them for being too busy to care !
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 Posted 11/06/2015  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add orfew to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fantastic coin Fvrivs
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 Posted 11/08/2015  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dutchgulden to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great coin with so much historical value! And so is the green patina,wow!
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Thank you all ..... or rather "schon danke"

In my initial euphoria I realize now that I failed to give any attribution !
As best I can determine it would be this


Vespasian AE Sestertius AD 71
Obv. IMP CAES VESPAS AVG P M TR P P P COS III
Laureate head of Vespasian right
Rv.IVDAEA CAPTA in exergue SC
Judaea in attitude of mourning seated right beneath palm tree, to left captive Jew with hands tied behind back standing right arms behind
24.58 Grams 31.5mm
RIC 233 Cohen 233

As this is of course an 'educational' forum I suppose that for our less informed members I should add that Vespasian was appointed by the emperor Nero to suppress the so-called first "Jewish Revolt" which broke out in AD 66.

This rebellion occured after the Roman Governor, Gessius Florus, had his soldiers enter the treasury of the great Temple and remove 17 talents of silver. After unrest spread throughout Jerusalem, Florus ordered the troops to arrest the city leaders and had them crucified.
The province proceeded to explode !

The Roman puppet king Agrippa II fled and Roman officials and citizens were massacred. The initial attempt to regain control of the province was undertaken by the Syrian legate Cestius Gallus using legion XII Fulminata.
Initially successful the legion inexplicably withdrew from the vicinity of Jerusalem and marched back toward the coast. They proceeded to get wiped out by a rebel army and Gallus fled the field with the legion XII sustaining 6,000 casualties and the sacred eagle of the legion being captured by the rebel forces.

The experienced general Vespasian arrived on the scene AD 67 and brought in his son Titus from Alexandria.
The Romans now had 3 full legions plus local auxilliaries for a total force exceeding 60,000 armed men.
The countryside was quickly pacified and Jerusalem became the focus of the climax to the war. When Nero committed suicide in AD 69 the emperors Galba, Otho and Vitellius followed in rapid succession.
After the legions in Judaea balked at accepting Vitellius they hailed their commander Vespasian as emperor. Vespasian hastened to form new alliances and challenged Vitellius for control of the empire while he left his son Titus in charge of the final assault on Jerusalem.

Before Vespasian even reached Italy his allies defeated Vitellius in battle and the hapless emperor was executed in Rome.

By AD 70 Titus had finished with the conquest of Jerusalem and demolished the great Jewish Temple . That act echoes throughout the millennia and probably more than any single military campaign causes strife unto this very day.

Titus left Judaea and rejoined the emperor in Rome where coins were issued for both men with the famous (nay infamous !)
JVDAEA CAPTA reverse.

While not exceedingly rare they are still exceedingly hard to come by !
At least at a price most of us would care to pay .....
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Congrats on the find! It's amazing what we stumble across sometimes. I'd been looking for a a nicely colored and affordable 1882 IHC for a few years last summer when I stumbled into a LCH that had an auction going that evening. They happened to have "the one" and I scored it for my right price :)
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 Posted 11/12/2015  07:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mascot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
FVRIVS one question more , what lens did you use ?
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I used a standard Nikon 18-55mm 1:3.5-5.6
For smaller coins I add on a 2X or 4X close up filter
They usually come standard on the lower end Nikon SLR's ( ebay)

Important thing is to try and stay F-11 or better to keep the depth of field in case you need a slight angle shot to catch the best lighting.
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A beautiful coin and a powerfully historic one as well.

Congratulations on your new Vespasian.
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