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Feeling A Bit Squeamish With All The Fakes...photos To Show

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I may have jumped the gun in another post and wrote like a know-it-all, and if that is the case, I truly apologize for my ignorance and presumptuous nature.

However, I can say that my exposure to the chinese cast counterfeit market is part of what makes me as jumpy as I am.

I do not wish to share page links but here are some photos that represent exactly why I and all collectors should be extra vigilant and diligent in our process.



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It is only a matter of time before local craigslist posting, auctions, antique shops, and pawn shops are saturated with this stuff and it is going to cause a lot of collateral damage to the hobby. If a newbie (or experience collector) keeps getting burned they are less likely to continue collecting. I know that I'm much more cautious when purchasing coins, currency, and bullion now. It is unfortunate, you shouldn't need to be an expert in counterfeiting techniques to enjoy the hobby.
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It is alarming because I feel like I will never know enough to spot the fakes.
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It is alarming. I also feel like I may never know enough to be able to spot the fakes.
As I get better-- so do the fakes!
I am also concerned that if it does drive people from the hobby, my collection will lose value. It isn't like I am ever going to be rich, but I hope one day to sell it for the then value of what I am paying now to enjoy my hobby (minus the lost interest I could have had if I put it away in something other than a Dansco album).
But seriously, it makes me consider whether I just want to sell it all now and take up learning Spanish or jogging as a hobby instead.
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It is alarming because I feel like I will never know enough to spot the fakes.


I can't agree with you enough, I keep thinking about unloading all my key coins now, before the Chinese completely destroy the coin collecting hobby. If you think it isn't going to happen, you are in denial.

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Yes it is definitely scary going forward. I like the comment about as we get better at spotting the fakes, the fakes get better.

I usually cannot spot a fake just by looks. I need to measure and weigh it, usually those two numbers will tell the truth.

I am more scared about fake PCGS and NGC slabs.
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Even with the diameter and weight, a careful counterfeiter can produce a fake of the right alloy and diameter.
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Its a sad reality, and it's the reason why I rarely buy coins anymore, and I don't even bother with higher end coins because the amount of research needed to identify fakes plus the risk of buying a fake just isn't worth it for me. That's an extremely depressing reality for a collector like me, and I think it will eventually lead to the ultimate demise of coin collecting, well before the last coins are minted by various governments around the world.
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I just bought a dozen fakes of the no-no site for this exact reason. I was going to post them in the grading section for a learning experience but this topic seems more appropriate. Of the 12 coins, only one was within 1% of its real weight. Below are my finding:


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Do you have any examples of coins that are fakes that weigh and measure correctly?
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I don't have any that weighed correctly, though I am waiting on one that is fake to arrive in the mail now so I can send it back. Maybe it will weigh correctly, who knows?

I have a couple fakes that I bought knowing they were fakes because they were in an album that I wanted. The seller was clear they were fakes and I thought it would be good education. They scared me a lot. It was a fake of every dollar you would use for type all the way through up to the peace. I only was able to pick one out with my eye as fake and one as looking off. They all passed magnet test. They were all off on the weight a little.

I do worry about collecting and have put my type album on hiatus for a while. I was going to start a commemorative circulated set because that thread in the commemorative section was amazing. But not now. I am thinking about selling most of my stuff off except circulated silver sets of the current and recent regular denominations. I feel okay with circulated franklin, walking liberty, barber half, roosevelt and mercury and Washington quarter. Execept that pcgs (my 16-D dime) is going to have fakes soon and ruin that investment.

How will I feed my collector bug in me? I don't know. Keep putting together circulated roosevelt and washington sets? Except even a 1932 D quarter is on your fake list.

I am really at a crossroads on whether I want to sell it all before the hobby becomes like stamps. Maybe for a different reason than stamps did, but still. If there are no buyers, then I have very expensive pocket change in my safe when the time comes.

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Chinese fakes are definitely a crisis for the hobby, and I think they'll eventually kill it.
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CSOTUS: I just bought a dozen fakes of the no-no site for this exact reason. I was going to post them in the grading section for a learning experience but this topic seems more appropriate.


Could you post some pictures of these?
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I think one of the best things for the hobby at this time would be some new developments in XRF technology, i. e. making it way cheaper.
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I have about 30 counterfeits from the no-no site. Do you guys want me to post pictures of all of them?

@ the mods: where would be the best place to post them if there is a resounding yes to the above question?
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While I feel fairly confident in my internet buying skills, I tend to prefer coin shows, local shops and club meetings. Knowing the seller is a good thing!
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I would like to see some pictures, so I know what I'm (we're) up against
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