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What Is This - Die Dirt? 1986 Canadian $1

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Relatively new here and this is my 1st post in this section. Going though a batch of nickel dollars that I got today - looking for errors and found this instead. To my untrained eye this is not a scratch or dent that happened after being minted but rather something that got stuck in the die at the mint - but again that's me and I'm likely wrong. Any ideas? Also, if this did happen at the mint does it make this coin worth something to a collector? Thanks in advance.

What-Is-This---Die-Dirt?-1986-Canadian-$1

What-Is-This---Die-Dirt?-1986-Canadian-$1

What-Is-This---Die-Dirt?-1986-Canadian-$1
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looks struck through wire to me..
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Thanks for the response - so you mean at the mint correct? Wire makes sense - when I saw it first I was thinking a hair but know way a hair would be strong enough to leave that deep an impression.
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Very nice struck through wire. Cool find!
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Interesting - so does that make it worth extra?
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You should be able to fetch a little premium for your dollar.
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Interesting - so does that make it worth extra?


It does to some!!
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The placement of the error on your coin makes it extra appealing.

I'm familiar with " struck through wire" errors but can anyone please decribe how these types of errors occur during the minting process?
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A piece of wire fell between the planchet and die, and was struck
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Thanks wildflowerAB - I was thinking the same - not so much about the placement, but that the wire line is about the same width as the waterlines are.
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A piece of wire fell between the planchet and die, and was struck



Thanks John. One of these summers I plan to take a tour of the mint so I can visualize the minting process but meanwhile.......what would be the origin/purpose of the "piece of wire" that fell?
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I was thinking the same - not so much about the placement, but that the wire line is about the same width as the waterlines are.



Yes, that too, same width as the waterlines goes with what I noticed of the placement - it follows a perfect circular curl from the front end of the canoe right to the paddle held by the First Nations man. So it appears to me as if it expresses an element of motion, movement of the canoe.
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The pressman could have just cleaned the collar with a wire brush, or an little electrical wire fell into planchet hopper, anything that can occur on a factory floor.
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I saw a picture on this forum of a coin with the foreign object still adhered to the coin. It was a thread of some sort, and it left quite an impression. I was surprised that a soft thread could mark a coin, but under those pressures, the thread will only compress so much, and the metal of the coin will form around it.
Nice find!

Edit: Found the thread with the picture
https://goccf.com/t/191091
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Thanks for the explanation John!
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Or, it could be a piece of "wire" that is a strip of pure nickel, from extra metal squeezed between the collar and hammer dies, punched out from previous strikes...
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