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Disappointed With ANACS Submission Of 1922 No "D" Penny.

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Kind of angry, it seems like they wrote every single thing they could on the label to hurt not only the value but the sale when I put it on ebay. I can understand the corroded part, but there is no mention of no d, or die pair 2, or strong reverse. When I put this on ebay it's now basically my word against the buyers, and the difference between a $300+ coin and a $20+ coin. This was the very first coin I've ever submitted to this company and it doesn't give me a good impression at all. Being as I"m new to this whole coin verification and grading thing, I would definitely appreciate everyone's input. Should I demand a refund, or have it re-labeled, what are my options? Or is my coin actually not what I thought it was? Confused, mad, frustrated, feel like everyone is out to screw people these days. Pictures below, thank you for your help.

Here is the graded coin
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 Posted 11/16/2015  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mistermann to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Update, just noticed a comment on the return receipt.
"Coin is not of requested variety"
First of all, if that is the case then what is it? Many of the good people of this forum have with confidence declared that they believe this to be exactly what I thought it was.
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I'm guessing they probably felt uncomfortable calling it a no "D" because of all of the corrosion. I also think I can see the top part of the "D" when I zoom in on the date/mm area. When there is doubt about a coin, the grading company will play it safe because they have skin in the game and a reputation to protect. Call ANACS and ask for clarification.

The corrosion kills it no matter what TPG holder it's in or what the grading company calls it.
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I can see a 'D' there as well. The corrosion isn't helping it, that's for sure.
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Here's one I just took, light might be playing tricks.
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Looks to me like there was a 'D' there that someone tried to erase.
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I must agree that with with surfaces in such bad shape, it would be difficult to assign the "no D" designation with any conviction. I think ANACS was right here.
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I'm afraid I'd agree with the ANACS assignment across the board. It makes it tougher to see a true "no D" die state after it's been corroded and then harshly cleaned.

Think of it as a great learning experience. Lord knows none of us know anything until after we've made the mistake of believing we know what we are doing.
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I don't think that ANACS were prepared to take the risk.
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Correct. Mistermann, welcome to the forum. I will say in your defense that the coin does show the essential characteristics of the no-D die pair #2, but I am not surprised that a major TPG would not want to state such on a coin in this condition.
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I feel ANACS was correct in their assessment of this coin.
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Thanks coin frog, I agree with you that it shows all the characteristics.
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It just might be but their reputation is on the line. TPG's will ALWAYS error on the conservative side.

Welcome to the "roll the dice with the TPG" game! I disagree with my NGC and PCGS submissions quite often, especially when it comes to toned coins.
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Mistermann They all will grade with caution, especially with corrosion evident. Sorry it didn't work out for you.
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I have to agree with everyone else. The coin appears to an altered damaged 22D. I think they got it right. Sorry
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ANACS made the right call

Besides, its TECHNICALLY not a "true" 1922 no D unless its from die pair no.2...
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