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Any Recommendations For Canon Digital Slr Camera & Macrolens

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I am looking for a better set up for taking pictures of varieties - rpm's, DDO, die crack the usual etc on dimes, nickels, cents and quarters.

I did read a bunch of the threads here but was hoping for answers only pertaining to current or semi current canons digital slr.

does anyone have a canon setup they happy with? if so what do you use?

Someone came over a few days ago to my house and took some photos with a canon set up for a upcoming book on nickels but his set up was way beyond my price range. I blown away by the quality of the images compared to usb microscope.


I would like to get a digital slr camera and have it set up to be controlled from the computer as a base camera the Canon EOS Rebel T5 was good or should I save the extra for a better one and I can get that now and in a few weeks buy the lens.

Any recommendations for a macro lens that is cost effective that would work with canon slr and any adapter or such to make that possible.

I think I need following for basic start

am I missing anything?

camera base
macro lens
extra batteries
camera stand or tripod
two form of lighting
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Tamron 90mm macro Sp Di for macro has the same qualities as the 100mm canon lens just hunts more so use it on manual focus.
Re the Camera try for a 24 meg which here is a 750D.
heres my set up with the rebel T3 12 meg and 90mm tamron

https://goccf.com/t/194870

and this is my smallest coin 7mm across taken with this setup on a Mac computer


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I think just about any modern Canon DSLR will take good coin photos. I'm currently using the T6s (760D) APS camera, but before that I used a T2i (IIRC), until the computer connection became unreliable (bad plug?). Both work well. Just be sure that whatever you get supports shooting with live view on the PC screen for easy focusing. You'll probably want an AC power adapter, so you don't run down the batteries if you do extended shooting sessions with live view.

I just use a bellows and an old bellows lens for most shots. My setup is similar (in principle) to the CCF-recommended "$400 setup".

Lighting is really the key for taking good coin photos.
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I have a T3i and the 100mm Canon macro lens which is a WONDERFUL lens.
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I just have a Canon Rebel XS but did get the AC power Adapter and it works great , very happy with it.
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You're probably not going to be happy taking pics of DDOs, RPMs, etc with a standard Macro lens. Most of them only go up to 1:1 magnification. If you use a newer camera like the T6s or T6i, the higher MP count will give you the ability to zoom in on details fairly well, but the quality won't be a whole lot better than the USB camera. You can add a teleconverter to increase the magnification, and this will help. Here are some numbers:

Canon T6x: 6000x4000 pixels (24MP)
Desired magnification: 5x (this is the money shot on a Lincoln Cent, ie full date and mintmark fills the APS-C sensor)
Set magnification to 1:1. At f4, this gives effectively f8, which is diffraction limited on the T6x sensor
A 1200x800 cropped image gives you effectively 5:1 magnification, but the clarity suffers due to the diffraction, AA filter, demosaicing errors, etc.
Add a 2x teleconverter
Lens magnification is still 1:1, but the teleconverter views just the center portion of the image at 2:1 magnification
Effective aperture is now f16, far into diffraction-limited territory
A 2400x1600 cropped image gives you effectively 5:1 magnification
Downsize this image to 1200x800 and you still have the 5:1 magnification image at same size as the crop without teleconverter
Downsizing 2x offsets the diffraction increase caused by the teleconverter
Downsizing 2x also eliminates most of the effects of AA filter and demosaicing algorithms, resulting in a sharper image

Now, this works pretty well for a high MP camera, up to about 5:1 magnification, perfect for the Lincoln Cent money shot, but for documenting mintmarks you need 10:1. You can get there with a crop to 600x400 but the resulting image may be too small.

A lens such as the Canon MPE-65 can give you the range up to 5:1 native, or 10:1 with 2x teleconverter. Or you can do a combination of cropping at a lower magnification as above. Quality of the MPE-65 is very good but working distance is fairly small.

Other option is to go with a microscope objective at 3x, 4x, or 5x. Disadvantage is that the higher quality of the microscope objective vs standard Macro lens will force you to focus stack to get the full surface topography of a coin in critical focus. This is because the microscope objective is used wide open, and thus has small depth of field at the higher magnification, but sharpness is superior to the other methods described above.
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Florida...in your post you said:

"Someone came over a few days ago to my house and took some photos with a canon set up for a upcoming book on nickels but his set up was way beyond my price range. I blown away by the quality of the images compared to usb microscope."

What sort of Canon setup did your friend use?
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I don't know the guy too well... I will ask him again he had told me but when I looked it up was very expensive and forgot.

But then after day or two of thinking about the quality of those images. I am willing too save up.

The varieties where amazing he could focus right in from computer.

For example on the one nickel you could see each part of the QDO on the star on the usb microscope you could see it but looked blurred together.
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Florida...the "<$400" setup thread outlines how to put together a setup that cannot be easily bettered. If you're only looking to do variety details, then the setup can be even cheaper since you don't need the full-coin lens, just the objective.
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I am only looking to do variety details and I am still waiting on reply back from him as to what set up he used for the photo-shoot.
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ok, he called the setup was in the rough draft of book.

He had a Canon EOS Rebel T3i with 65MM 2.8 1-5X, 18-55MM 3.5-5.6, or 28-80MM 3.5-5.6 lens all lens where canon and software came on disc with camera.
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Florida...so the key to his setup is the 65mm lens, which is for sure model number MPE65. It's a $1000 lens that is only capable of 1:1 -5:1 magnification. Can't do full-coin photos. But that's OK per what you're trying to do.

You can get the same functionality with the <$400 setup, with slightly higher quality, though you would not buy the main full-coin lens and probably buy one or two additional objectives to cover a wider magnification range. Should still cost <$400. The <$400 setup recommends a Canon XS camera, which has the same computer-based control system as your friend's T3i.
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awesome 350-500 is my budget I will research that thread to figure out which lens to get with the canon xs and buy
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does it have to be Canon? I have a Nikon D3300 and am loving it.
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no does the nikon d3300 allow for viewing on computer
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If you want to see what you are doing in Live View on the computer screen Canon is the only one that has the soft ware and can be tethered to the computer.
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