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1888 O Morgan EDS Of Scarface?

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 Posted 11/27/2015  3:01 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add d_dob to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I posted this coin for grading, but, I also wanted to get opinions on this Morgan's variety. I think it looks like a VAM 1B early die state, but, I'm brand new to Morgan's and am just going by the research I did.

Opinions? Comments? Oh, and, yes, I know it's not the most attractive coin!

I picked it up at an estate sale.



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 Posted 11/27/2015  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like the 1b1 I think. Not at home now to confirm though and I'm not too familiar with the scarface progressions but that rim below the date is indicative of the 1b1 if I remember correctly. Do you feel a big shelf like uneven surface in the field in front of her face? I don't think you will though. Kinda hard to tell fine details through the black
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Could be a VAM 1B2 as well, the wear and ticks in front of the face make it difficult to tell from the photo.
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 Posted 11/29/2015  3:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add d_dob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
cascade, no I don't feel an uneven surface right in front of her face. I can try to
get a better pic of that area.

Thank you for your input :)
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Could be a VAM 1B2 as well, the wear and ticks in front of the face make it difficult to tell from the photo

Exactly what I thought West.
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Can we get some close up photos of the Eagles head, and the "AMERICA" lettering?
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 Posted 12/01/2015  10:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add d_dob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I didn't forget! I was editing pics. It doesn't look like the eagle is bearded. I don't know if you can see the "Amer" part clear enough. (I know, with the coloring and nicks, it's tough to make out things clearly.)

But, I did manage to get some closer pics of the die break and nose, and, in hand and in several pics it sure looks like there may be a die scratch along the inside of the nose that corresponds with VAM 1B3. (But, it at least looks like 1B2)

What do you all think? (The one pic with the arrow is one of the fine lines touching the nose)



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You may want to ask the mods to move this to the VAM section to get more attention.
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I'm not sure how to do that, dave? It doesn't seem like there has been a lot of
activity on the classic coin section overall this past week. Maybe people are
still sleepy from last weeks turkey? ;)
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Use the report post icon in the bottom right corner and ask to have this moved to the VAM forum.
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Thank you dave and jbuck!
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I'm sorta leaning toward a H-7 stage although the level of wear and/or corrosion makes determination difficult. Since you have the coin in hand, why don't you refer to the great synopsis of stages that Ash researched? Here is a link to the material which can be found toward the end of this VAMView PDF... PG

http://www.ssdcvams.com/VAMview9.pdf
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I'm sorta leaning toward a H-7 stage although the level of wear and/or corrosion makes determination difficult.


paleoguy, that's what I thought, too. I saw that excellent link, thank you!

You can see the die cracks much better in hand, although, like ash said, it is tough to see the die crack along the inside of the nose. You do have to hold it at just the right angle. And, yeah, the deterioration doesn't help matters lol
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Well Charlie is right V1b2 Harrison stage 7. The H-7 is a harder stage to find but in that condition it become more of a hole filler for the H collection set collectors.
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Thanks guys
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