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£2 Rotation Error Like 5p

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 Posted 11/30/2015  7:15 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add razersedge to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
hi I'm new to this and to the site. but ive found a 2011 standing on the shoulders of giants £2 coin with a 170-180 degree rotation error and I havent been able to find anything about it or find any thing about others out there. the only thing I've found that was close was the posts about the 5p with a simlar error on this site. so has anyone seen one before and how common are they. thanks mike
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 Posted 11/30/2015  11:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello and welcome.

Is the entire coin design on one side rotated with respect to the other side, or is it just the central core? The central core of a British £2 coin, like any other similarly structured bimetallic coin, can be "rotated" by popping the centre out by force and shoving it back in at a different angle.

Some pictures might help.
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 Posted 12/01/2015  01:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add razersedge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you
And it's the entire design that is out the middle is secure in the coin

Here is a video of the coin

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 Posted 12/01/2015  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, assuming it's a genuine £2 coin, then it does indeed have a die rotation error.

My main worry at this point is that it's far more likely to be a fake £2 coin than an actual mint error - the counterfeiters are more likely to get the rotation wrong than The Royal Mint. The details on the reverse, particularly the fine details of the cog-wheels and the scrollwork diffraction pattern in the centre, don't look right to me. BUt I'd await the judgement of some of our British members, who handle more £2 coins than I do.
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 Posted 12/01/2015  08:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UKPennyHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
razersedge, please can you post a close up photo?
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 Posted 12/01/2015  08:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add razersedge to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep no problem I'll to it when I get home from work in a few hours. Would you like a another same year and design coin next to it for reference
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 Posted 12/01/2015  08:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UKPennyHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah that would be great. I know it says I'm in Spain but I'm from the UK

I have a friend that is very well versed in counterfeit UK decimal coins, so if we can't be 100% I'll fire a picture off to him for some help!
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 Posted 12/01/2015  08:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Red to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately it's a counterfeit.
The same type of coin was recently featured on Fake Britain - Fake Britain BBC iPlayer Series 6 Episode 5 (Skip to 19 minutes in)
Although the one in the program didn't have as big a rotation error.

Here's one of mine, with the same missing metal on the join and similar rotation.

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 Posted 12/01/2015  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UKPennyHunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well there you go, RED's already on it with his cracking photos!
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Thanks for posting the link to "fake Britian" I am not sure that people outside the UK will be able to view it but the relevant section is 19:00 in and a section on fake collectable coins at 36:40.



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Thanks for posting the link interesting.
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 Posted 12/01/2015  3:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add andyg to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is where "Fake Britain" bought their ancient fake coin from... still trading with the contact details easily available.


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If this is a genuine £2 coin, then why not checking the centre hologram/optical security feature. If genuine, it should form no image in most light angles but try tilting it untill you see a clear, bright image in the center. This coin was designed with this optical security feature (Standing on shoulders of giants), sadly the new £2 wasn't. It would take a lot of effort from counterfeiters to replicate this.
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