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This listing is older but would like to see what others think. 121834939455 |
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I really don't see how that could have happened. It doesn't look like any nickels with that bust have had denticles on the obverse rather than beads, so I'm leaning toward a post mint job. Still a very odd coin, though.
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If it's post mint, how was it made? how does one create denticles out of beads post mint? The second e in Elizabeth looks really weird. Odd surfaces too. I personally don't like it because of the fat chunky letters, but will say it's a bit of an enigma.
I guess the more interest that errors get, we'll certainly see more monkey business.
If it's genuine, it's either an early die type, or a muling of sorts.
I don't get it. I do know that the most common of coins have been counterfeited over the years, but why some one would cast an obverse die then retool it I don't know.
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Do an ebay search for 1968 5 cent and you will find similar denticles, not sure if it is listed variety, but I saw something similar on 3rd or 4th coin I looked at.it looks like the beads got pushed out to the rim or deteriorated enough to bleed into rim |
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Right you are, though nothing as even or as dramatic. One would need to count denticles vs beads to continue with a process of elimination. My eyes are tired, I tried. I don't see how a very even deterioration like this is possible? That said, it may be fair to attribute the fat lettering to die wear\deterioration. A head scratcher.  Edited by Alan
12/20/2015 2:36 pm
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Canada
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Have a look at this one, you are beginning to see it on several beads. 281885671416Sorry, on phone and can 't paste link from app. |
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Thanks, that's the one I was looking at too. but not even like the one I posted, which are quite dramatic and even, vs. the sporadic smooshed beads as seen in the one you posted
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12/20/2015 2:43 pm
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if you look at the full picture on the first one posted, the beads along the bottom are still pretty round, which suggests some kind of deterioration, but I am definitely not an expert in this area.
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Thanks for your suggestions. The coining process is extremely complex. Understanding errors really helps one understand the coining process itself.
I am leaning towards deterioration here, but am still not 100% convinced, due to how consistent the 'denticles' appear.
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They don't look like worn beads at all, as far as I know its impossible...so I vote another fake error.
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Could be Die Deterioration, but I'm not quite sure. Certainly, the mushiness of the details leave some doubt in my mind. I cannot get away from the idea that it is a die struck fake, where the obverse die was copied (hubbed) off a coin. If it is genuine, it can't be an error and must be a variety, because the denticles would have been deliberatly hubbed that way by the Mint. Either way, not an error. Edited by sel_69l
12/20/2015 6:24 pm
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Here's another from the same seller.. 121829492300Sellers quote.. Quote:
The coin has a very wide rim, and appears thinner than a normal coin ..I say with part of the rim lathed away it would obviously look thinner. Thats 3 none error nickels from this seller there's likely more. |
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I see that, pennyman, thankyou.
It looks like someone has really perfected the art of smacking coins with pipes or something to that effect.
Really odd. Well, it helps us understand what to watch out for. I would like to try to duplicate this just for educational purposes.
Are there any illegalities to trying to attempt something like that for the good of the hobby?
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So I let this seller know about 2 weeks ago that a clip he had listed wasn't a genuine clip. He thanked me and took it down. That would make 4 iligitimate errors he has listed in 2 weeks. So now... what about that incomplete clip he has listed? https://goccf.com/t/248351 |
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I checked through my own nickels and I found a couple similar to the ones in the link Alan posted. Some have "denticles" all around the rim, while others have it only partially around. If you check the other pictures in the ebay listing you'll see what looks to be doubling of the back of the queen's neck and on the rim-side of several of the letters, or at least a "mushiness" there. It looks to me just a case of worn dies that give it the effect of denticles. |
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