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So I got into collecting when silver was around $19/oz. Right now we're at around $14/oz. Using half dollars as an example, the melt value at $19/oz is almost $7. At $14/oz the melt is about $5. I haven't really seen much of a drop in the price of junk silver even though spot price is $5 less than it was when I began. I know ebay isn't always the best example but on average a roll of WL halves circulated is still around $140-150. Nice raw examples of even the 1940's WL's will still cost you $15-30. Back in the early 2000's the spot price of silver was only $6. This would mean the melt of a half dollar was only $2! Were you able to buy rolls of circulated 90% halves for $50 or so back then? Did nicer examples of coins still run around the same price as today or were they much cheaper? The main reason I'm curious about this is due to the prices I'm seeing today. As mentioned even though spot is $5 less than this time last year, prices haven't really changed. *** Moved by Staff to a more appropriate forum. ***Edited by LibertyEagle20 01/02/2016 9:25 pm
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I used a 2001 Red Book until just a few years ago. The prices are lower, but not as low as one would think. It is also worth noting that the 2007-09 recession took its toll on the value of the USD. They have done a good job of hiding it, but $5 went a lot further in 2001 than in 2016. I did not actively collect back then, but I do have two 2004 ASE's. My parents took me to some car dealership's promotional event once every six months, and twice they were giving them away to everyone who came to look at the cars. They had at least a couple hundred. No way they could have afforded that unless they were going for a few bucks each.
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I shared a spot with another Dealer in the late 90's to around 2003... Let me see if I can find the Silver & Gold Charts that were given out to those attending the shows back then...
If I find them, I will take some photos from my tablet.. I know silver was around $4.oz & gold about $375oz..
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I bought 100 ASE for about $5.75? each! back in 2000.
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I was buying halves and dollars back then and for the life of me I can't remember what they cost. I can remember when I got into jags of better date walkers though. I still have a 1919-D and 1917 S & D obverse that I got for melt. Grade G-VG, so nothing great, but finding them was more amazing than the price. I think at that time dealers just dumped Whitman albums when they came in rather than sort the coins into flips.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
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Back 15 years ago silver was averaging $5 an oz.
I think the reason you see these high premium is because people keep buying silver, thinking its going to rocket right at back at any minute. Then, to make matters worse, the vast majority of buyers feel it isn't going to go any lower.
However, it has. I would venture an educated guess that since we have breached 15, the next stop at a slow grind as we have seen for over 3+ years gets us to 10. Imagine how people who have been buying rolls thinking 15 was a great deal, feel when it hits lower.
I am sure if folks just took a breather and collectively said "you know what, I Am just going to sit back for now and watch" premiums from dealers would dry up fast.
I feel bad for anyone who has thought and bought silver regularly in any amount since the downtrend started, thinking it couldnt go any lower on them.
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I was looking back at posts from when I first joined ccf like 2 years ago and $23-25 per ASE was considered a great deal..... I don't have much skin in the silver stacking game compared to others (but who likes to see anything depreciate in value), if spot price was $5 in 2000 (haven't looked it up) with inflation it would be close to $7 now.. So hopefully we won't get below the "$5" of 15 year ago... Every year has a 52 week high and low.. Hopefully we'll all still be around when the lows are in January every year and then we'll see who's still holding after the next bubble pops and kicking for not selling. The demand in the ASE (and silver coins) is just so rapidly growing that there is no reason to lower the premiums if supply = demand, even with silver going down and down... If hypothetically silver blows back up to $50 an oz, I'd be surprised if the backside of selling premiums are going to destroy profits bc there are so many new stackers each year that will be running to dump/cash in.
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I have fond childhood memories (early 2000's) of going to the coin shop and picking through their bins of $10 Morgan dollars. I also vividly recall $2 Franklin halves and $0.45 Mercury dimes. Those were the days, although I couldn't afford much it was still a blast. One of my earliest coin memories (must have been mid 1990's) is going to the coin shop in the old, now long demolished, shopping mall with my grandfather and him purchasing me my first silver dollar ( Peace dollar I believe) for $6.
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I personally would LOVE to see silver go to $5 dollars an oz. IF that happens, I am going to crazy buying everything I can find on my watch list. I say "IF" because I have no idea if we retrace back to that price. The only thing I do know for a fact tho is that silver prices have a huge bias to the downside as they have shown no evidence of wanting to find even a floor. Gold at 300 an oz also will make me open up the account to buying more gold coins. I have a longggggggg watch list and I will not be buying as I was for my collection until there is some sort of resolution. Until either we find a floor OR prices move higher and stay higher I am NOT buying much and I will spend much of my hobby time making wish/watch lists. At 5 dollars an oz, I feel horrible for everyone who has been a steady stacker as they will remain underwater for probably a good portion of their lifetime, which is very sad. However, that is how markets are when one does not know where to buy. 
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If Gold and Silver goes to $300 and $5 respectively, the premium will be 100% at the same time for each, still pretty cheap compare to what stackers are paying right now!
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