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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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For example clips and wrong planchets. Since both the error and someone filing away at a coin results in a smaller end product, is it possible for someone to a fake this error convincingly, with the right tools and some practice (and perhaps adding some artificial circulation)? I tried making a rim clip since they look like just a thinning away of the rim - I picked a nickel and 30 minutes later I had cut out part of the top right rim on one side (botched my first attempt on the bottom right), armed only with a box cutter and no magnification.  While I doubt mine will fool anyone since the scratches are visible without magnification, can this actually be convincingly done? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I'm sure it can be -and probably has been - done. Like you said, practice and the right tools. The question is, does the faker do it to show his friends, or does he do it for monetary gain? The first is just stupid, the second is a crime.
I recently got a chance to look at some of those Chinese fake coins and the quality is amazingly good. I'm sure the first try at that wasn't so hot, but with practice and the right tools, they're a threat to our hobby, a threat to buyers (and sellers) on the internet, and just plain scary.
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Valued Member
Spain
239 Posts |
Regarding clipped planchets, there are tell-tale signs you can look for to discern whether or not it is mint made. The first test is to put a coin of the same denomination into the clip (as long as it is a stage 2 clip with a curve and not a straight clip (stage 1)) to see if it fits perfectly into the curve, which it should if it's real. The second test is to check the beading or anything that is raised in the field near the clip, because the detail will be less sharp the closer it gets to the clipped area. This is because the clip itself causes an uneven strike, and the beading will be almost 'fading' into the clipped area. Here's a couple of examples from my own collection to show you what I mean.   |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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That's why a small clip on a coin to most error collector is who cares, there is so many legit examples on smaller denominations but on 50 cents to dollars, very few but there is tell tale signs of real clips the famous Blakesly affect. Most penny on dimes or rare loonie on pennies are hard to reproduce without a set of working dies.
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Moderator
 Canada
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It is easy to fool anyone who does not know how most errors are created. A good number of dealers have cheaper "errors" in their inventory, that are garage-jobs. This is not intentional, most dealers don't know better themselves...
The PCGS showcase sets on errors, and coin forums such as this one, are good places to learn...
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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With spare time and practice,..any machine shop or large press operator can play with clipping cents or coins all day long.
I could see someone getting pretty good at "making errors" with a few hole punches or shear presses etc.
Best to rely on the true experts at the coin shows (like SPP for example) when shopping for or getting into errors.
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Valued Member
Spain
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Moderator
Canada
10456 Posts |
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Valued Member
Spain
239 Posts |
Thanks for that link SPP, all of my errors are UK pennies but it looks as if there is a section for world coin errors. I will get in touch and see if any of them pique their interest!
Edited by UKPennyHunter
01/04/2016 1:50 pm
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Canada
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My errors are Canadian, but the association welcomes world members. Their journal is great, and they are very open to contributions from members.
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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Valued Member
Spain
239 Posts |
That's good to know, I went to buy a years membership then realised they mention posting a magazine and a welcome pack, Canada isn't too far away but I'm not sure they would post it out here to me in Spain without maybe added postage or something?
I've emailed the address they've left on the site anyway asking if it's possible so will see what they say. Thank you :)
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Tough to do with what I have on hand..the trick is to find a coin with something wrong with the rim..then clip the opposite side lol   any takers only $10.  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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any takers only $10.
Oh by gosh is it RARE?  |
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