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My Numismatic Goal For 2016: A Romanian Type Set

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 Posted 01/20/2016  08:22 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A few weeks ago, I happened to look at Numista's listing of Romanian coins, and was surprised how beautiful they all are, and how many of the supposedly common types I'm apparently missing. So I decided to get a full type set (well, as full as I could manage) for 2016 (if I have the opportunity, anyway).
For the record, the type list is based on Numista. In places it might differ from someone else's type division; I'm not an expert (I could barely figure out what to exclude).

Given the recent silver prices, it is not impossible that I'd be actually able to acquire the silver coins as well (even the larger ones). But it is a lot less likely than the base-metal types, so the following listing will consist of three categories: base metal, small silver (under 10 grams), and large silver (10 grams and over).
Gold is right out. I'm not counting any of the loads of commemoratives either (though I might end up getting some of the more common commemorative types).

Yes, I'll probably not get anywhere close (even in base metal only). And yes, this is far from being my only numismatic goal this year (I'm not that focused). But whatever.
Also, some of these might turn out to be rare; then I'll exclude them later.


Listing I: base metal
1. 1 banu 1867
2. 1 ban 1900
3. 2 bani 1867
4. 2 bani 1879-81
5. 2 bani 1882
6. 2 bani 1900
7. 5 bani 1867
8. 5 bani 1882-5
9. 5 bani 1900
10. 5 bani 1905-6
11. 10 bani 1867
12. 10 bani 1900
13. 10 bani 1905-6
14. 20 bani 1900
15. 20 bani 1905-6
16. 25 bani 1921
17. 50 bani 1921
18. 1 leu 1924
19. 1 leu 1938-41
20. 2 lei 1924
21. 2 lei 1941
22. 5 lei 1930
23. 5 lei 1942
24. 10 lei 1930
25. 20 lei 1930 [Carol II]
26. 20 lei 1930 [Mihai I]
27. 20 lei 1942-4
28. 50 lei 1937-8
29. 100 lei 1936-8
30. 100 lei 1943-4
31. 200 lei 1945
32. 500 lei 1945
33. 500 lei 1946
34. 2000 lei 1946
35. 10000 lei 1947
36. 50 bani 1947
37. 1 leu 1947
38. 1 leu 1949-51
39. 1 leu 1951-2
40. 2 lei 1947
41. 2 lei 1950-1
42. 2 lei 1951-2
43. 5 lei 1947
44. 5 lei 1948-51
45. 20 lei 1951
46. 1 ban 1952-4
47. 3 bani 1952-4
48. 5 bani 1952-7
49. 5 bani 1963
50. 5 bani 1966
51. 5 bani 1975
52. 10 bani 1952-6
53. 15 bani 1960
54. 15 bani 1966
55. 15 bani 1975
56. 25 bani 1952-5
57. 25 bani 1960
58. 25 bani 1966
59. 25 bani 1982
60. 50 bani 1955-6
61. 1 leu 1963
62. 1 leu 1966
63. 1 leu 1992
64. 1 leu 1993-2006
65. 3 lei 1963
66. 3 lei 1966
67. 5 lei 1978
68. 5 lei 1992-2005
69. 10 lei 1990-2 [supposedly commemorative, but common enough, multi-year, and I have one anyway]
70. 10 lei 1993-2003
71. 20 lei 1991-2003
72. 50 lei 1991-2003
73. 100 lei 1991-2006
74. 500 lei 1998-2006
75. 1000 lei 2000-2006 [same situation as number 69]
76. 5000 lei 2001-2006
77. 1 ban 2005-
78. 5 bani 2005-
79. 10 bani 2005-
80. 50 bani 2005-

Listing II: small (and medium) silver
1. 50 bani 1873-6
2. 50 bani 1881
3. 50 bani 1884-5
4. 50 bani 1894-1901
5. 50 bani 1910-4
6. 1 leu 1870
7. 1 leu 1873-6
8. 1 leu 1881
9. 1 leu 1884-5
10. 1 leu 1894-1901
11. 1 leu 1910-4
12. 200 lei 1942

Listing III: large silver (just for completeness, I won't be getting many of these)
1. 2 lei 1872-6
2. 2 lei 1881
3. 2 lei 1894-1901
4. 2 lei 1910-4
5. 5 lei 1880-1
6. 5 lei 1881 [different title]
7. 5 lei 1881-1901 [no idea what the difference from above is]
8. 100 lei 1932
9. 250 lei 1935 [apparently rare]
10. 250 lei 1939-40
11. 250 lei 1940-1
12. 500 lei 1944
13. 25000 lei 1946
14. 100000 lei 1946


That's 80 types in base metal, plus 12 for small silver and 14 for large silver.
Most of the silver is over 100 years old; there is a total of one post-1915 small silver (and I already have it), plus seven large silvers (I might consider the 100000 lei, if I ever find any).

I've excluded some commemoratives even when Numista does not classify them as "non-circulating" (actually, I only left two, as listed above).
I also almost included one non-circulating commemorative (200k mintage!) because I happened to have it already (and had no idea it was that rare).

Just for the record: the "circulating" commemorative types I left out are two "Reign of Carol I" silvers from 1906 (nice but probably too uncommon), one large silver from 1941 (definitely too uncommon), the modern 50 bani pieces (might get some if they turn out to be cheap enough)... and a 500 lei from 1999 that has a high enough mintage to be plausibly circulating (4 millon), and a cool enough design (solar eclipse) that I might well get it anyway.

And yes, that's 80 coins (81 with the eclipse 500 lei), even without any silver. I already have many of them, and much of the rest is low-end bargain bin stuff, but even so, I'm looking at as much as $100 spent just on that set only.
Assuming I get anywhere close to completing it, anyway. In particular, the 1867, 1900 and - especially - 1921 series would be tricky.

Fun fact: Romania (in the 1960s and 1970s) is the only country I'm aware of where that had an 15 coin and a 25 coin, but no 20. The traditional Soviet system went 10-15-20-50 (and the Russian system it came from went 10-15-20-25-50), and pretty much everyone else skipped 15 entirely.


Um, watch this thread for further results? So far, I'm trying to figure out what I already have
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 Posted 01/20/2016  09:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Funny how you bring up this topic. I was sorting my coin collection and came across my Romanian coin collection that a good friend of mine sent. He did sent a good fraction of them and I really appreciate them. I still have them to date.

I believe Romania is one of the earliest countries to use aluminum coins extensively in her coinage. This also included aluminum coins dated from 1921 and then to the late 1990s where thick aluminum coins were issued. Plated steel were also extensively used.

http://omnicoin.com/collection/gxse...0044&sd=desc

My partial coin collection http://www.omnicoin.com/collection/gxseries
My numismatics articles and collection: http://www.gxseries.com/numis/numis_index.htm
Regularly updated at least once a month.
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 Posted 01/22/2016  12:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add X2an to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Romanian coins from 1963/1966 are very common here. Interesting set of denominations with 5, 15, 25 Bani and 1 and 3 Lei.
I have a bunch of these myself. For the currently used coins I'm missing the 1 Ban coin. It's an interesting series with almost no artistic designs, pretty unique today.
Personally I'm looking for the French-coinage standard pre-1920 coins. Hopefully I'll get them eventually
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01/22/2016 12:53 am
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 Posted 01/29/2016  04:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Checked the parts of my collection that I could easily find, and found 9 Romanian types:

7. 5 bani 1876
13. 10 bani 1905-6 (both dates, though the 1905 is harshly cleaned)
18. 1 lei 1924 (that is, the Bun Pentru)
20. 2 lei 1924 (the other Bun Pentru)
44. 5 lei 1948-51 (1949)
69. 10 lei 1990-2 (1991)
74. 500 lei 1998-2006 (1999)
76. 5000 lei 2001-2006 (2002)
and small silver 12 (200 lei 1942).

The 200 lei is very worn (perhaps to Fine or even VG); the last two digits of date are completely unreadable (fortunately for me, it's a one year type).
I wonder how it managed that; the hyperinflation and following redenomination should have driven it out of circulation only a few years later.

So that's 8 (+1, +0) down, 72 (+11, +14) to go.
Next step would be checking the five-year-old albums for Romanian coins (don't recall if I've done that). Then off I go to coin shops and 10 (and 20) ruble bargain bins for (most of) the rest of the post-1947 types; 1947 and earlier might be tricky.
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01/29/2016 04:43 am
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 Posted 01/29/2016  04:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Only one Romanian in all six albums: 5 lei 1942 (number 23 in my list). Down to 71 (+11, +14).
I'll check the loose album pages, then that's it (unless I find a lost coin ziploc or ten, which is very possible).
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 Posted 01/29/2016  05:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The five loose pages are Greece (argh!), Hungary (ARGH!), Israel, assorted Asia, and empty, respectively. I know I had a British and German page too, and that the total was seven, so no Romania on the pages.
If Romanian coins were in an album, they would have been in the one that has Yugoslavia, Slovakia, Cyprus and Turkey. I double and triple checked that one, nothing from Romania.
So apparently either the 300 coin lot the albums originated from didn't have any Romanian coins (unlikely but possible), or in the five years since I've took all of them out (also possible, though just as unlikely).

On second thought, the 200 lei might have been from that lot; I'm not sure how else I could have got it (it's silver, but doesn't look like a silver coin on first glance, and I remember being surprised when I figured that out).
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 Posted 01/30/2016  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Randomly decided to check some places I had coin ziplocs in (that I thought I already checked), found a 1 leu 1963 (type 61 on the list).
That's 10 (+1, +0) done, 70 (+11, +14) to go.

Will try to get more at nearest coin shop opportunity... given my current amount of homework, probably not until at least mid-February.
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 Posted 02/24/2016  1:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A visit to a local coin shop (my first such visit since I started this thread) got me a few more types:

27. 20 lei 1942-4 (1943)
50. 5 bani 1966
51. 5 bani 1975
54. 15 bani 1966
57. 25 bani 1960
58. 25 bani 1966
59. 25 bani 1982
61. 1 leu 1963
62. 1 leu 1966
67. 5 lei 1978

Sadly, other than type 27, that's mostly the easy ones, and I still have to find the assorted less common stuff.
But still, that's 20 (+1, +0) done, 60 (+11, +14) to go. Hope I'll get there by the end of the year!
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02/24/2016 3:37 pm
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 Posted 02/24/2016  2:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add antwerpen2306 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have just listened this week my only coin I have from Romania : a 2 bani coin of Carol I of 1882 .It was on the ceiling since an eternity . I had what you can call my lucky day .albert

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 Posted 02/24/2016  10:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like these coins too.
I have 27 pieces.
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 Posted 02/25/2016  06:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After carefully rechecking, I missed another local coin shop purchase: 15 bani 1975 (number 55 in the list).
The conclusion (that I've mostly got rid of the easy ones) still holds, but now there's only 59 (+11, +14) to go. Do you thing I could get there by the end of the year?
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 Posted 04/02/2016  7:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Apparently, I've actually miscounted, and included type 61 twice. So the count as of yesterday should have been 60 (+11, +14) to go.

Anyway, today's coin shop visit (which wasn't very Romania focused) got me 3 new types:

48. 5 bani 1952-7 (1953)
73. 100 lei 1991-2006 (1993) - a huge coin!
75. 1000 lei 2000-2006 (2001)

So that's only 57 to go (+11, +14, as always, because I just don't buy much silver).
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 Posted 04/03/2016  06:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dohcollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
it might not be as tricky if I offer my small and above average collection for sale

have alot of these you want in VF or better
stopped collecting these as I wanted to focus on 3 country's instead of the world (coz of preference I did just that)
don't get me wrong I do cherrish them but i'd like to buy other stuff instead
this is what I have in 2x2 flips

2 bani 1879 and 1900b vf and au (both have die cracks)

5 bani 1882 83 84 85B and 1867 both mints xf vf xf ag and vf vf

10 bani 1867 both mints and one of 1900 vf xf(watt&co) vf

also a 1930's 20 lei (horta coin london mint) in ms
and a 50 lei 1937 looks ms although it has a slight improper cleaning


shoot me a mail if you are intrested
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 Posted 04/04/2016  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interested, but I have no idea how to pay (this is why all of my previous CCF purchase discussions ended in nothing), and I likely don't have that kind of money anyway. (I probably paid a total of less than $20 for all the types I have so far.)
I'm also not especially interested in MS coins, because my storage equivalent is ugly, so they would probably stop being MS in short order - in which case they're not worth the extra money.

I'll try to write you a more detailed PM later.
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 Posted 04/20/2016  2:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My new Romanian type purchases for today:

24. 10 lei 1930
30. 100 lei 1943-4 (1943)
66. 3 lei 1966
71. 20 lei 1991-2003 (1992)

Also recently found a modern 5 bani (can't recall the date) in my previous purchases (what was it doing there?), so might as well strike that out too (type 78).

That brings me to 28 down (+1, +0), 52 to go (+11, +14). But what's left is mostly the hard stuff, sadly.

(I distinctly remember already having an example of type 30, actually. Where'd it go?)
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 Posted 05/03/2016  10:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Almost forgot, after the most recent coin shop visit, type 56, 25 bani 1952-5 (1952). That's 29 down, 51 to go (+11, +14, hadn't seen much Romanian silver lately).

I should really make a checklist of the 1960-1982 types; I have perhaps three or four of them left, and they come up very commonly.

Oh, right, here it is:

49. 5 bani 1963
50. 5 bani 1966
51. 5 bani 1975
53. 15 bani 1960
54. 15 bani 1966
55. 15 bani 1975
57. 25 bani 1960
58. 25 bani 1966
59. 25 bani 1982
61. 1 leu 1963
62. 1 leu 1966
65. 3 lei 1963
66. 3 lei 1966
67. 5 lei 1978

That's only three left... actually, two, I already got an 15 bani 1960 in last week's haul. (And missed a 5 bani 1963 on Tuesday's, because I thought I had it already.)
This brings me to 30 down, 50 to go, but the rest of the bunch would hardly be easy.
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