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1883 Morgan With Die Cracks

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 Posted 01/30/2016  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twodsonegf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can you get any close-ups? I thought I recognized that crack pattern, but I guess not. I didn't have any luck, but it's not easy attributing coins by cracks, especially when there are so many cracked varieties!
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 Posted 01/30/2016  2:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dave700x to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I went through all the '83 P listings this morning and came up empty. There are a few very similar star to date crack patterns but nothing exact(real similar to the VAM10 sextupled stars). This one may be a later die stage of a listing so it may come down to micro pups such as date doubling which can be all but impossible for images.
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 Posted 01/30/2016  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twodsonegf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am with Dave. I went through every 1883-P as well (with the exception of VAM-22). One of the Weth VAM-1 die pairs was also close, but no cigar. If you post on VW I am sure "Weth" with chime in - he loves when people post 1883-Ps ;)

Close ups would go a long way though if you'd like to have it attributed here rather than by the expert himself over at VAMworld.
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here some close-ups

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one more

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As far as a grade a 63 it is. Reverse is much nicer but the obverse has a bag full of chatter. Still love the luster and the die crack patterns.
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Thanks for posting more photos. The date photo is the most crucial. I do see a little bit of doubling it seems.. and no dash under the 8. Looks like the coin has a lightly pitted Lady Liberty, and maybe eagle as well? Does your coin have a doubled ear? I will take another look before long once I get a chance. Boy, that lady is cracked up!
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 Posted 02/01/2016  7:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add uruman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
here is a picture of the ear and the date showing some doubling to the left of the first 8

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I would say its the VAM 1F from what I can see I could be wrong its tuff to attribute from just pics it appears to have a clashed die so it should be one of these http://www.vamworld.com/1883+P+Clashed+Dies
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thanks eric, I hadn't see that clash by the neck , I'll get a picture of it soon.
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Not VAM-1F. Ears are different, wing/neck gap is different, crack pattern is different, and clash rotation is different. I don't see the chip in the nostril either. I started going through the list again the other day, but have not had time to finish up. Still came up short thus far though.
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 Posted 02/08/2016  8:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add eric ramsdell to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i agree with you twods I'm thinking it may just be a VAM 1 but I'm finding similar die pairing but none are exact.Attributing a coin just by die cracks really does not work but here is a list of the ones I see with a similar die crack on the obv by the date VAM-10 VAM-28 these are the only 2 I see with the exact same die crack by the date again attributing by die cracks does not always work but check out the die markers on these 2 vams and see if you come up with anything
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 Posted 02/10/2016  9:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add messydesk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Try VAM 28.
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I stopped and studied VAM 28 each time through the listings and discounted it because of the clash orientation at the neck.
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to me I'm thinking its a LDS of the VAM 28
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