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1877 IHC On The End Of A "Roll", Fake Or ?

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Seller has 0 feedback, but does offer 14 day returns. Offering a " Lincoln Wheat penny roll" with an 1877 IHC and a 1910 LWC on the other end.

Thoughts on the coin? A counterfeit?

The roll sold for $484.99, which is nuts.

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 Posted 01/30/2016  9:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This does appear to be a genuine Die #2 obverse for the 1877.
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Why would someone bother putting that on the end of a roll instead of just selling it stand-alone? I don't understand some people, LOL :P
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End roll gambling never gets old for some. Especially when can claim that you found an 1877 in an unpicked roll. 1877 does look like the real deal.
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Wonder what the reverse looks like.
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The seller has 0 feedback? No thank you.
Coin appears genuine but besides the point.
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I sent this guys entire account for review. He's sold that roll and a bunch of watches. Watches are highly counterfeited.

Now he's selling all highly counterfeited gold.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/callielejas/m.html
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With his account gone 'blank', the 1877 does look real though.
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I just looked through the gold listings. The 1914 and 1915 are definite fakes. I see stuff I don't like on the 1912 and 1929, but I can't say definitively. They are Middle Eastern counterfeits with the appropriate gold content.
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Type coin how can you tell the 1914 and 1915 are fakes? Just trying to learn how to distinguish counterfeits better. And you guys are awesome you have probably saved unsuspecting buyers millions of dollars by getting rid of the counterfeit coins.
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Somehow I just don't think the buyer will get a genuine 1877.
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I hate when people do that, once I saw a roll with a 1909 s on one end and a vdb on the other end and it sold for $480
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I'm thinking the same thing as Paralise about the reverse wonder what kind of junk is in the the rest of the roll
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1915 obverse:
If you look at the back of the Indian's neck, you will find toolmarks and a "lake effect." The lake effect is caused by a loss of relief during the die transfer process. As you can see, the gentle slope stops abruptly and does not continue to the edge of the headdress, unlike on a genuine coin.
I have circled numerous "depressions," which are the artefacts of contact marks that were put into the die during the die transfer process. These are discernable by having the same luster as the surrounding fields as it was struck that way. There is also no raised metal around the edges of the mark, which would be there if the mark was genuine.

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Reverse of the 1915:
I have circles more depressions.

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Obverse of 1914:
The toolmarks and the "lake effect" are present on this coin. The pictures are blurrier, so I can't make out the depressions as easily.



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My contacts have shot this down, they say they're real.
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Fair enough. Someone asked what I saw, and I answered. All I know is that I would not bid on them as genuine coins.
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