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Storage Binder Vinyl - ?

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This is a storage question, so I guess it belongs here. The topic relates to the 3-ring binders most of us use to store parts of our collections. We use "safe" flips, "safe capsules, etc., but what about the composition of binders? I am using a combination of binders I've recycled from over the years and new ones that I've bought from coin supply online stores like Wizard, Jakes, and others.

One would commonly assume that if it's made for coin collectors it should be safe for our coins. But places still sell flips with PVCs and they sell hard-core cleaning supplies, none of which are good for our coins. I use some smaller binders (1") to hold disorganized coins in flips. Eventually, if they are a keeper, they go into my big lighthouse binders. The small ones are plastic coated but don't say what kind of plastic so could contain PVCs. Maybe.

Anyone else thought about this and have any comments?
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 Posted 02/11/2016  10:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfusion to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't have any coins of real value in it but I have a "regular notebook" binder like one would buy in a school supply isle with coins in 2 x 2's and non pvc pockets which have been in there for over 20 years now with no ill effects. Copper, silver and clad coin duplicates and they all look like they did when I bought them. I would think that is they are protected properly that the binder itself wouldn't be an issue but again, these are all very low value coins. Not sure I would put anything real expensive in there. But again, if I buy something expensive it's because I already have a place for it. $1.00 - $10.00 goes in the binder.
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 Posted 02/11/2016  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BuckeyeCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am a vinyl chemist by trade.

I wouldn't worry much about the binder. I use them myself.


As for determining if it is PVC or not, you can test that if you want with just a cup of water and a lighter.

Easy vinyl / PVC test:
1. Cut a small sample of the material in question. Make sure it is all the same material, no glues or cardboard or other plastics stuck to it. It can't be a hollow part either.
2. Drop it in a cup of water. Make sure there isn't an air bubble floating it up. Make sure to break the surface tension of the water by submerging it and shaking it around to get any air off the part.
3. If it floats without a bubble or surface tension, it can not be vinyl / PVC. 100% certain.
4. If it sinks, it may be vinyl, we need to test it further.
5. Safety first.
6. Light that sample on fire.
7. Vinyl will give off hydrochloric acid, it is an offensive smell. It will also have a green tint to the flame from the chlorine. It will also char black, it will not drip like a candle. It will produce smoke too.


Fairly simple.

Here is a handy chart to determine what type of plastic you have in front of you good for most common plastics.

http://www.consultekusa.com/pdf/Tec...chart%20.pdf
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I am going to go home and try those tests tonight on some of my plastic coin supplies.... just to see!

Woo hooo science!
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Thanks Buckeye, really good information.
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Wonderful analysis and I've saved it for future reference.
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I looked at the plastic identification chart above and it does not show PLA (polylactic acid) which is used by many 3d printers. Is this type of plastic safe to use to make coin trays?
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PLA is just a bio derived polyester.

No issue that I can see with using it for a coin tray.

I'd probably still line them with a felt like typical coin trays.

I'd worry more about the adhesive used to bond the felt to the plastic tray than anything honestly.
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I plan on flocking the trays before using them with a product called Donjer suede-tex (www.flockit.com). The adhesive contains the following: alkalyd resin, lecithin,titanium dioxide,calcium carbonate and mineral spirits.

It does sound rather toxic, I will contact the company to see what they recommend or if they have an alternate adhesive.
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I check the website above and they have an second product called Soft Flock which uses rayon fibres and a water based archive safe adhesive. The suede-Tex product I found at Lee Valley and did not think to check if it is suitable, although the container says it is good for jewelry boxes and toys. I guess I will have to make another purchase.
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