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Altered 1922-D Lincoln Cent

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Interesting thread here that has run it's course on the counterfeit forum:

https://goccf.com/t/253125

I expect this coin to fetch in excess of $100 when all is said and done.

Talk about shill bidding, check who dominates this site's "Hot US coins" listings, "greatsoutherncoin":

http://www.coincommunity.com/hot_us_auctions/

And some feedback:

http://toolhaus.org/cgi-bin/negs?Us...+by&ref=home

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Thank you for the information. I will be very careful to bid from this seller.
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GSC is profit motivated at the expense of accuracy.
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Great Southern Coins or GSC pushes over grades and then disclaims below ..... Talk about double talk ...... I asked a question about that particular coin and they have not replied, no answer ....

Avoid!
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I am obviously missing something with this coin....

Who would sell such a mangled mess?

Who would buy such a mangled mess?

Can anyone straighten me out here?
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 Posted 02/15/2016  11:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Go-Rebels to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The auction is closed.
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Ended due to "error" in listing, yea right!

Whatever their claimed reason, coin is off ebay but where is it now? Will it get back in the wild?

Coin should be melted, it has only melt value now!
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Yes, the "error" was listing an altered coin. The "error" was not mentioning the alteration (not that it makes it OK). The "error" was thinking they could get away with it.
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Not to sound like I would defend GSC in any way, but - when it is discovered that a seller has listed such an item, it IS within the realm of possibilities that the seller did not notice. This actually happened to me.. I did not notice the scratches, but just after posting the listing I decided I wanted to inspect the coin and compare it to the photos. Of course, I immediately took it down, and from the dropdown menu of options the most relevant selection is, "there was an error in the listing." That means the seller ended the listing, and not ebay.

So now, I found a listing last week with the same exact blatant presentation of an altered 1922-D. Please bear with me, I am not sure if this should be posted in counterfeit reporting or anywhere, but I feel pretty sure that altered coins are against ebay policy, right? I messaged the seller politely about it a whole week ago, but no response:

121883639222

Seller: mbarrcoins


Altered-1922-D-Lincoln-Cent

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Yes, this is another altered coin, albeit much cruder and starting with a more well worn specimen compared to the GSC coin. This is not a Type II "Strong Reverse", given the strength of the date, therefore it must be a weak or no-d variety. Given the tooling, odds are it wasn't a no-d variety.

Can't claim this coin to be a counterfeit, only altered. ebay sells lots of altered coins, but when an altered coin is arguably meant to draw a higher bid, as this coin, I believe ebay should pull the auction.
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The only reason mbarrcoins's coin has a "weak" D is because it has been filed, sanded and scratched off.
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Seems legit!

Okay, on the subject of this particular seller.. I have been struggling a bit trying to put my finger on exact details, but many of his listed coins I find look off. For example, is there actually a variety of 1840-O seated half with nearly no denticles?

131486201131

I mean, he has many many coins listed for sale, and many of them are legit as far as I am concerned, but I have been watching several that I am half-certain must be fakes. Could someone go quickly breeze one or two categories in his store and tell me if I am just imagining things?

I could point out several potentials, though I suspect perhaps there would be a more appropriate place for that. I just wouldn't know where..
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 Posted 02/17/2016  08:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LocalCoinGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Altering a coin to gain value is considered counterfeiting .... The intent is raise the value of the coin ...... Here is some info, not sure true but per following altering is counterfeiting:

http://www.lawyershop.com/practice-...unterfeiting

Reported to ebay, who knows worth a try!

Seller has this piece of work that is obviously not a real ms66, what a piece of work 361092853034
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Regarding that 1912-s Lincoln, how can you tell? The photo is so bad, and the holder is so bad, who knows?

But in all honesty, I've never seen a NNC MS66 coin that was anything near a hi-end unc...
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Yes, there is an 1840-o missing denticles. From Heritage:
Altered-1922-D-Lincoln-Cent

Altered-1922-D-Lincoln-Cent
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Thanks, Go-Rebels. I thought that it looked like grease-fill, but I was having a hard time confirming this one.

Concerning his slabs.. I was checking out a penny he had listed and asked him if I could see a photo of the entire reverse of the slab. No response. None of the listed graded coins I have so far viewed show the entire reverse. I just thought that might be worth pointing out.
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