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Valued Member
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The dreaded DETAILS judgment from a TPG has many categories. In the opinion of the community, does this mean that the coin will always be tainted, or are there circumstances where a coin could be "rehabilitated" and re-enter our good graces. After all, DETAILS is usually only a surface issue. |
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Rest in Peace
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After all, DETAILS is usually only a surface issue. What else could it mean ?  |
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Pillar of the Community
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Fake clip, rim bumps, etc.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Sure. Many coins that are graded details end up in problem-free holders and are not touched or rehabbed in any way. In fact trying to rehab a coin almost always makes it worse and further from problem-free than when you started "helping" it.
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Valued Member
United States
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Hey y'all. I have always wondered what the term "Details" meant in the Coin World. I recently saw a PCGS rated coin with the term on it and the selling price of this coin was very high. Go figure. I have always left my collectibles alone for fear of making a detail a mess. Thx |
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Pillar of the Community
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-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/Edited by BStrauss3
02/24/2016 6:07 pm
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Valued Member
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Thanks kindly for the responses. Perhaps the threads should be merged, but for now I'll illustrate my topic with an example. Let's say I have a silver dollar graded as F details - questionable color. Could this coin be carried around as a pocket coin until the "questionable color" went away from normal wear, or would this "fix" make things worse? Would most collectors be happy if the coin could be rehabilitated from F details to a problem-free VG-10?
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Valued Member
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So I have heard of people having coins kicked back from PCGS for having been cleaned and they will pop them out of the holder, and put it in their shoe for a week or two to get rid of the cleaning lines and not really drop the coin any grades... There are some pretty sneaky/ brilliant people out there.
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CCF Advertiser
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Any artificial toning that is done in a week will be detected and graded as artificially toned. The only way to tone a coin is through exposure and time. If you have a cleaned coin and you put it in an album or paper holder for years, it will become an "old cleaning". A dipped coin may come back entirely, but a coin in which the surfaces are damaged will always be "cleaned".
If a coin has mint luster and is artificially toned, it can be dipped to remove the color. However, you will then likely see what the color was put on to hide in the first place.
Do not lose hope, however, as there is a way to remediate these problem coins in your collection. Sell them. I've found this to work 100% of the time. Not a single one has ever bothered me over its issues afterwards again.
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04/25/2016 11:03 am
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Bedrock of the Community
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Sometimes all it takes is to just crack them out and send them in again. There have been plenty of cases where a details coin has come back problem free the next time around. (The opposite is also true with problem free coins coming back as details upon resubmission.)
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If you pay enough money to grease the wheels, I mean "donate" to their conservation service, you can buy yourself a straight grade slab. And 6 months later when it is for sale on ebay it will be the star of a "How did this coin get a straight grade" topic on the forum. |
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Obviously, it depends on what the problem was in the first place. Ditto to other members opinions as some "details" coins get straight graded and some are fixed to make them more appealing. Coins w/major problems such as holes, plugs, and damaged edges can't be fixed.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I mean "donate" to their conservation service, you can buy yourself a straight grade slab. Sending it through their conservation service is NOT a lock on getting a straight grade. Quote:
Obviously, it depends on what the problem was in the first place. Ditto to other members opinions as some "details" coins get straight graded and some are fixed to make them more appealing. Coins w/major problems such as holes, plugs, and damaged edges can't be fixed. True we're talking about the borderline or questionable cases though, one where "is it details?" can be a matter of opinion. (Which is all the TPG give you, an OPINION!) |
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That third party opinion is usually right on, at least from the top three. I'm glad they offer their services. I recently submitted an 1871 Seated dollar that I inherited from my late father as I suspected someone sold him a counterfeit at some point. Turns out it's a triple threat: RIM BUMPS - TOOLED - CLEANED. |
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Valued Member
United States
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Perhaps I'm naïve but I've always trusted a TPG's opinion because that opinion is informed. There is a well-designed process involving experience, standards, measurements, and a knowledge base far beyond what I could ever hope to approach. They're also human and make mistakes, but probably not often. If a coin is DETAILS at the time of inspection, it most likely is, but depending on the nature of the problem, the coin could be rehabilitated and resubmitted to get a straight grade. Rehabilitation could just involve carrying the coin around as a pocket piece until the problem wears off. Other problems like plugging, tooling or rim bumps are probably a life sentence. |
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