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What Happened To This 1972-D LMC?

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Found this in a CWR tonight? Was something stuck on the reverse die to cause this? Obverse rim is raised? It doesn't look to me to be a Grease Filled Die.

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Looks to be a Struck Through Grease.Nice keeper,2x2 worthy.
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What is the weight of your coin? Is it light or normal weight? The OBVERSE motto and LIBERTY devices looks like they thin from the image provided?
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Check the weight and go from there. Thanks, Doug.
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Sorry, I don't own a scale. The obverse details are thin, the l in liberty is missing. The rim thickness varies from .055-.061 in thickness if that helps. I'm going to have to invest in a good scale. Thanks.
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Hi Joe!

I got a digital pocket scale.

E mail me where and when it will work to hook up.
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Thanks Chuckster. It will be good to touch base again.
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Looks like it could be Progressive indirect design transfer sometimes called "Greasy Ghost" http://lincolncentforum.com/wp-cont...stGeorge.jpg
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Interesting. Thanks Maineman.
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So is "greasy ghost" the same as " Struck Through Grease" ?
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Quote:
Looks like it could be Progressive indirect design transfer sometimes called "Greasy Ghost" http://lincolncentforum.com/wp-cont...stGeorge.jpg


I am not convinced about this attribution. It is so different from the PIDT found here: http://www.error-ref.com/?s=pidt

I see cents regularly with the top of the memorial and the steps worn away - not to the degree of the OP, however. I have always assumed that it was wear. So perhaps I am wrong about that?
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I think the OP coin is both,struck through grease and circulation wear.
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As I mentioned already, I'm not 100% sure either....but the "worn spot" does match Lincoln's bust. I'm doubting circulation wear simply because wear would be spread more evenly over the coin. I'm guessing the easy way would be for someone to PM Mike Diamond and get him to take a look....I'm just not quite sure how to do that on this site.
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In the last few minutes I have come across a 72 (left) and 2 73s with very similar features as the OP, but not as pronounced. That I see this so frequently is what makes me think it is wear and circulation damage.


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There can be two causes for what I can see. To me it looks like the planchet was thin. (weight would be a great aid with this)
1. That the die was hubbed too deeply. (we often see this on the steps of the 1960s cents. don't remember what year now)
2. The planchet was too thin and there is not enough thickness for the planchet to flow to fill those areas on the reverse. Also the obverse is also weak on the highest devices.
I ruled out Struck Through Grease because the rims are too soft, the motto is weak and the obvious weakness on the reverse where the higher devices are trying to be struck up.
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I think we will need the weight of the OP. My examples are less dramatic and are +/- 0.04 g of the target weight. I call that normal variance.
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